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EnySpree
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7/28/2005  10:18 AM
Sweetney said. "I don't demand shots and I think I'm becoming a better defensive player. I think this will be a good fit for me."


I dunno about you guys but that annoys me. Sweetney has to change that mentality. He needs to demand shots. He has to think more highly of himself.....Does he think he can be Elton Brand? or Antoine Carr?
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7/28/2005  10:36 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Sweetney said. "I don't demand shots and I think I'm becoming a better defensive player. I think this will be a good fit for me."


I dunno about you guys but that annoys me. Sweetney has to change that mentality. He needs to demand shots. He has to think more highly of himself.....Does he think he can be Elton Brand? or Antoine Carr?

Agreed. He's got the talent to be a real post presence. He needs to demand shots and prove that he's a more than capable force down low. That in turn would definetely increase his # of trips to the line, putting opponents in foul-trouble.
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7/28/2005  10:53 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Sweetney said. "I don't demand shots and I think I'm becoming a better defensive player. I think this will be a good fit for me."


I dunno about you guys but that annoys me. Sweetney has to change that mentality. He needs to demand shots. He has to think more highly of himself.....Does he think he can be Elton Brand? or Antoine Carr?
Hey EnySpree, can you post the link, I would like to check out the article. I haven't read much on Sweetney since that story about him not participating in the draft. Curious to find out what type of shape he is in.
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7/28/2005  11:01 AM
Sweetney shouldn't be demanding anything. He will get his touches and if and only if he is hot should he be demanding the ball. Sweetney? demanding?

Nah, hes a role player and its good that he knows that. He'll get worked into the office and if he doesn't then oh well. Larry Brown will figure that out.
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7/28/2005  11:03 AM
I disagree with that, he is our best low post option and he has the potential to be a very good offensive player. We need to try to get him a lot of touches and if we don't, I think he should demand the ball in the middle of a game (Sweets would never demand the ball in a negative way like shouting at someone, but at least stick your hand up to let them know you want the ball).

[Edited by - s3231 on 07/28/2005 11:07:48]
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7/28/2005  11:06 AM
Posted by s3231:

(Sweets would never demand the ball in a negative way like shouting at someone, but at least stick your hand up to let them know you want the ball).

he does that, he just never really got the ball.

with the way LB coaches, and if sweetney impresses in practice, they WILL run some offense through him. you do not under-utilize a post threat and LB knows that. it's really all up to sweets in practice.
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7/28/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Sweetney shouldn't be demanding anything. He will get his touches and if and only if he is hot should he be demanding the ball. Sweetney? demanding?

Nah, hes a role player and its good that he knows that. He'll get worked into the office and if he doesn't then oh well. Larry Brown will figure that out.

At Georgetown he demanded the ball and inturn that made him one of the best dominating offensive players during his 3 years of college; he averaged 14 shots a game and 10 free-throw attempts, these are things the Knicks sorely lack. I don't think any of us have seen what Sweets can do in the pros if he's fed the ball downlow becuase it hasnt happened. Whether its becasue the Knicks coaching staff hasn't tried doing this or its because of the ongoing weightissues that Sweets has. When he HAS gotten the ball downlow he's displayed the ability to score with a flurry of lowpost moves, this is something the Knicks sorely need and I think Larry Brown is going to give Sweets every opportunity to show that he can be a offensive force downlow.

Lets face it, we need to find out what Mike has or doesn't have becuase no team is winning the championship without a lowpost threat and if Sweets isn't the answer for us then we need to send him on his way and get someone in here that can score downlow.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/28/2005 11:12:07]
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7/28/2005  11:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by s3231:

(Sweets would never demand the ball in a negative way like shouting at someone, but at least stick your hand up to let them know you want the ball).

he does that, he just never really got the ball.

with the way LB coaches, and if sweetney impresses in practice, they WILL run some offense through him. you do not under-utilize a post threat and LB knows that. it's really all up to sweets in practice.

Yeah, thats true. I remember seeing him with his hand up a lot of the time but Crawford would settle on a three or Marbury would just go to the basket himself. Oh well, that should change with Brown as you said.
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7/28/2005  11:15 AM
sweetney has a little larry 'grand ma' johnson in him- he's a bit undersized, but great post moves and foot work.

And absolutely, he was open a lot during the season down low-

everyone crying for a center to be a contender, we just need a low post presence- is Sweets going to be a superstar? Nope, but he can be a difference maker and create movement on the defense
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7/28/2005  11:28 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Sweetney shouldn't be demanding anything. He will get his touches and if and only if he is hot should he be demanding the ball. Sweetney? demanding?

Nah, hes a role player and its good that he knows that. He'll get worked into the office and if he doesn't then oh well. Larry Brown will figure that out.

At Georgetown he demanded the ball and inturn that made him one of the best dominating offensive players during his 3 years of college; he averaged 14 shots a game and 10 free-throw attempts, these are things the Knicks sorely lack. I don't think any of us have seen what Sweets can do in the pros if he's fed the ball downlow becuase it hasnt happened. Whether its becasue the Knicks coaching staff hasn't tried doing this or its because of the ongoing weightissues that Sweets has. When he HAS gotten the ball downlow he's displayed the ability to score with a flurry of lowpost moves, this is something the Knicks sorely need and I think Larry Brown is going to give Sweets every opportunity to show that he can be a offensive force downlow.

Lets face it, we need to find out what Mike has or doesn't have becuase no team is winning the championship without a lowpost threat and if Sweets isn't the answer for us then we need to send him on his way and get someone in here that can score downlow.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/28/2005 11:12:07]

right on. and if he sucks, then larry will put him in the dog house. but i doubt that will happen.
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7/28/2005  11:29 AM
Larry proved that you don't have to have a superstar to win in this league. He is notorious when it comes to feeding the post, so all of our post players will have their chances. The problem with the Knicks in the past was simple, the coaches didn't know what they wanted....Larry does.
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7/28/2005  12:14 PM
Sweets #1 priority should be to camp in the paint and attack the glass on both ends. If he does that he will get a good amount of touches. Also he's got good moves and great hands so if his man helps he will be open for a pass getting him a shot at close range.
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7/28/2005  12:18 PM
If he's in-shape, I'll be happy.
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7/28/2005  12:33 PM
The only demands Sweetney should make are to his driver to not pass any all-you-can-eat buffets.
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7/28/2005  12:51 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Sweets #1 priority should be to camp in the paint and attack the glass on both ends. If he does that he will get a good amount of touches. Also he's got good moves and great hands so if his man helps he will be open for a pass getting him a shot at close range.
Fish, to me he needs to improve on passing out of the double team and receiving entry passes in the post. Most of his turnovers came from trying to force things (especially against Detroit and Orlando). In my opinion, Frye and Sweetney could work well together because Frye can float while Sweetney say in the low box. Foul trouble will be a serious concern for the Knick big men this season. All these guys pick up fouls quickly.
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7/28/2005  1:01 PM
The man has got to find a way to stay on the court and that comes back to his conditioning. I'm so tired of seeing him pick up weak assed fouls out above the foul line every time he tries to defend the pick and roll. Hey, I'm a Syracuse grad and I watched him light us up at Georgetown over and over again. I realize that it was at a different level and all but the guy was a beast. He's gotta find that fire in himself once again and beleive that he can be a force down low IF he gets the ball in proper position. He is such a wide body, with such good feet and a soft touch, that he should be a 16-18 point scorer in my opinion.
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7/28/2005  1:01 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Sweetney shouldn't be demanding anything. He will get his touches and if and only if he is hot should he be demanding the ball. Sweetney? demanding?

Nah, hes a role player and its good that he knows that. He'll get worked into the office and if he doesn't then oh well. Larry Brown will figure that out.

This is what I mean....Sweetney has to demand the ball if he is going to be a starter for My Knicks, lol!!!!

His little statement just tells you that he doesn't want the ball. He doesn't have the trait in him to be the best. Just punish teams.

Bottom line.....The coach can order the team to give him the ball 30 times a game......but does he want it? When the Knicks are in a drought can he get those tough baskets night in and night out?

I don't think he has the personality to handle that.
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