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EnySpree
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7/27/2005  10:49 PM


I posted something about this a while back.

What if Crawford is traded in a packedge to get a power forward? Houston would have a role......back-up shooting guard behind Q.



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7/27/2005  10:51 PM
If Crawford was traded, we go to option B- 3 guard rotation of Marbury, Nate, and Q.
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7/27/2005  10:57 PM
while i hold no animosity towards al because of his "salary", he was one of my favorite players, but i can honestly say he's done. i hate to say it, and in all honesty it pains me to say it, but he's done. hopefully he proves me wrong. even if it's w/another team .
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7/27/2005  10:57 PM
All Hail the Allan Houston Rule! Isiah will make it happen, at long last.

It'll save the Knicks $40M over the next 2 yrs. We also just got Q. It's as good as done.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
daddynel
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7/27/2005  11:02 PM
besides, why would we trade craw? a young energetic, athletic shooting guard that in my opinion can be molded in to a more consistent player in order to rely on allan houston. did'nt we try that already?
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7/27/2005  11:07 PM
crawford can be curtailed, but he can't enter some sort of metamorphesis where he becomes a whole different player. crawford will never be more than a slightly below average defender, and at this point, with his salary, I don't think we can afford to have him AND Marbury manning the backcourt for most of the game...
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7/27/2005  11:13 PM
Craw will stay until it's determined whether Steph has to be dealt.
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7/27/2005  11:16 PM
how good of a defender was rip hamilton before lb got there, implimened his system, and made him look like a good defender?

[Edited by - daddynel on 07/27/2005 23:18:21]
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7/27/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



I posted something about this a while back.

What if Crawford is traded in a packedge to get a power forward? Houston would have a role......back-up shooting guard behind Q.




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7/27/2005  11:20 PM
damn Spree....

LET IT GO!!!!!!!
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7/27/2005  11:24 PM
let me put it this way...

there was some sort of photo shoot for some season ticket holders. they were asked to wear some knicks stuff for promotional use. when asked what kind of knicks gear they had to wear, a particular ticket holder said he had a h20 jersey. the response from the msg photo department was "i don't think that would be a good idea".

take that for what it's worth.
EnySpree
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7/28/2005  8:30 AM
I hate Allan Houston......I dunno if you guys know that. i absolutely hate him and I wanted him traded before his first contract was up and I wanted him to walk before Layden locked him up with the second one......
Seems like everyone already closed the book on Allan Houston. Which is fine by me.

Still, Crawford is a tradable asset right now. Marbs, Q, and Nate will demand minutes so I think he would be the odd man out if one out of the 4 will have to go....if that was the case.....old man Houston would be ok to fill in and become the 3 pt specialist he was born to be.
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7/28/2005  8:37 AM
Houston looks more or less done because of his injuries. This offseason he is not even saying he will come back. I'm taking it as a sign even he is coming to terms with reality of not being physically able to play basketball again.

Hating him is kinda unfair though. I kinda hate him, too, but its not really his fault he got that contract and became a living embodiment of the terrible Knicks of the recent seasons.
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EnySpree
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7/28/2005  8:55 AM
Posted by simrud:

Houston looks more or less done because of his injuries. This offseason he is not even saying he will come back. I'm taking it as a sign even he is coming to terms with reality of not being physically able to play basketball again.

Hating him is kinda unfair though. I kinda hate him, too, but its not really his fault he got that contract and became a living embodiment of the terrible Knicks of the recent seasons.

Hate is a strong word but I don't really hate him as a person because I don't know him. As a player......oh yeah I hate him.
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7/28/2005  9:00 AM
Oh yeah as a player I can't stand him. He never played a lick of D, never rebounded even though he is a 6 7 SG, and never learned how to dribble, could never pass, and dribbled the ball of his foot in like every game at least once.

He was really one dimensinal, as in shooting was his only skill. He could get his shot of by himself thogh, and was good enough at shooting to put up 20pts in a season. There are pleny of guys like him out there. They just don't get nearly as much money. Back in the 80's or 70's he would prolly fit right in.
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7/28/2005  9:35 AM
You are very wrong there son....RIP was a very good defender. I have been following his career for a while now...This dude only improved one thing about his game or better yet, I would only credit Brown for helping this kid to maximize his talent. However, don't say that Brown turned RIP into what he is. Have you ever watched RIP when he played with Jordan???

Posted by daddynel:

how good of a defender was rip hamilton before lb got there, implimened his system, and made him look like a good defender?

[Edited by - daddynel on 07/27/2005 23:18:21]
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7/28/2005  10:01 AM
if allan can produce, even if its in a role like Kerr or Paxon where he spots up to keep defenses honest at certain times, he'll probably be kept on the roster.

Look for Penny to be dumped- I doubt that both ending deals can get used this season- do the math on the kind of contracts that might come back.

Penny saves half as much as a released houston, but, lets say allan can do something this year- next season, Allan is an ending deal and tradeable.

Keeping Allan is almost like moving Penny from tradeable this year to next- that to me is looking to make more and more sense.

Now, if Allan is gimpy and can't even play against nbdl talent, he is probably gone faster than you can type 'IT'.
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7/28/2005  10:13 AM
Posted by diderotn:

You are very wrong there son....RIP was a very good defender. I have been following his career for a while now...This dude only improved one thing about his game or better yet, I would only credit Brown for helping this kid to maximize his talent. However, don't say that Brown turned RIP into what he is. Have you ever watched RIP when he played with Jordan???

Posted by daddynel:

how good of a defender was rip hamilton before lb got there, implimened his system, and made him look like a good defender?

[Edited by - daddynel on 07/27/2005 23:18:21]
Per MJ and Doug Collins, RIP was a below average defender. One of the many reasons he was traded. He actually think both those guys for pointing out his faults which help him improved but if you notice in the playoffs RIP (maybe due to injury) slacked off on the defensive end.
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7/28/2005  11:08 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by diderotn:

You are very wrong there son....RIP was a very good defender. I have been following his career for a while now...This dude only improved one thing about his game or better yet, I would only credit Brown for helping this kid to maximize his talent. However, don't say that Brown turned RIP into what he is. Have you ever watched RIP when he played with Jordan???

Posted by daddynel:

how good of a defender was rip hamilton before lb got there, implimened his system, and made him look like a good defender?

[Edited by - daddynel on 07/27/2005 23:18:21]
Per MJ and Doug Collins, RIP was a below average defender. One of the many reasons he was traded. He actually think both those guys for pointing out his faults which help him improved but if you notice in the playoffs RIP (maybe due to injury) slacked off on the defensive end.


Wasnt MJ the one who picked Kwame, then destroyed him? And collins was his side kick.

MJ - greatest competitor of all time, not such a good GM or talent evaluator.
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7/28/2005  11:17 AM
I still like H2O and if he can still shoot the rock, then lets keep him because his salary doesn't come off the books, it just count against the cap, hell we can't even fill his spot due to the cba rules.
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