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bobs3304
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7/27/2005  5:21 PM
CTorres on Realgm originally posted this deal. I think it's probably the most realistic one out there right now. Take a look, lemme know what you think:



Knicks Trade - Jamal Crawford
Knicks Receive - Matt Harpring, Fut. 2nd Rounder*


Jazz Trade - Matt Harpring, Jarron Collins
Jazz Receive - Jamal Crawford, Jackson Vroman


Hornets Trade - Jackson Vroman, Fut. 2nd Rounder*
Hornets Receive - Jarron Collins, Cash from Utah*



*(added by me to make it more fair)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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jaydh
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7/27/2005  5:23 PM
why would we want/need harpring?
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7/27/2005  5:25 PM
I hope not. I would hope Crawford could bring back more than than a 29 year old small forward.
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7/27/2005  5:26 PM
there he goes again.

Can't you find a MoT to ???? trade, or 2 PFs to ???? Trade.

Why give up our young kids for anybody over 25...unless he's one of our 6 PFs.
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7/27/2005  5:37 PM
It wasn't my idea, but I still love it.

Here's why:



Marbury and Nate will be manning the point for us. As it is now, Crawford will only get around 20 MPG, and that's if he works his butt off to impress Brown.

Both Q Rich and Harpring are SG/SF's, so they'll spend time at both. So Crawford won't be missed as far as the rotation is concerned.

Crawford has 6 years left on his contract. Harpring is an expiring contract. In the worst case scenario, he can be used in a later trade to bring in a big time player.

Harpring is a defensive specialist. Crawford.........is not. Harpring fits in well with the type of team Brown will try to mold, one built on defense.



That's just the reasons why WE'D do it. The Jazz and Hornets both have interests at hand too. In fact, Jazzman on Realgm, said it was a good deal for Utah. If you guys are interested in seeing this trade from a Jazz point of view, go to the trades board on RGM...



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/27/2005 17:37:26]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  5:54 PM
I love that deal. Harpring is the perfect compliment to Ariza at SF. I can't imagine JCraw playing for Sloan. Sloan hates players scared of physical contact.
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7/27/2005  5:57 PM
^, The Utah fans seem to think if Crawford shoots more 2's and less 3's, he'd be a perfect fit for them b/c A.) they could really use a combo guard, and B.) he obviously has more upside than Harpring and would benefit from Sloan's strict system.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  6:46 PM
This trade will never see the light of day. Why trade for Harpring when we've got JYD and Lee? Both of whom bring more energy.
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7/27/2005  7:03 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

This trade will never see the light of day. Why trade for Harpring when we've got JYD and Lee? Both of whom bring more energy.



you're completely missing the point. JYD is better suited as PF. David Lee won't be seeing many minutes. He's a rookie for God's sake. And I believe Timmy will be gone by the trading deadline.

Not only is Harpring the exact type of player Larry Brown likes, but he's an expiring contract.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  7:20 PM
We should be able to get more for Craw.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/27/2005  7:29 PM
the mods are usually overzealous with the locking of threads and this one needs to be locked. This is just plain stupid. I mean really really stupid.

Harpring and a 2nd rounder? DUMB!

"where have all the smart fans gone?" -bobs3304
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7/27/2005  7:31 PM
doesn't harpring wear not one, but two mega knee braces?

i don't see it, especially with lee here.

is crawford overpaid as of right now? yes he is.

should we dump him for a 20 min role player that has bad knees? nope.
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7/27/2005  7:32 PM
like i keep saying, all of you vastly overvalue what our players are worth. i sometimes make that same mistake, but hardly as often as alot of Knick fans, some even on this board.


crawford is OVERPAID. You won't get more than Harpring and a 2nd for him. I also think you're undervaluing Harpring. But maybe that' just me. For what it's worth, go see what Jazz and Knick fans alike think about this deal on the RGM trade board...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  7:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

doesn't harpring wear not one, but two mega knee braces?

i don't see it, especially with lee here.

is crawford overpaid as of right now? yes he is.

should we dump him for a 20 min role player that has bad knees? nope.

he played 78 games last year, and is an expiring contract. so either way he can be a contributor or a future trading piece.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/27/2005 19:37:10]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  7:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by djsunyc:

doesn't harpring wear not one, but two mega knee braces?

i don't see it, especially with lee here.

is crawford overpaid as of right now? yes he is.

should we dump him for a 20 min role player that has bad knees? nope.

he playedd 78 games last year, and is an expiring contract. so either way he can be a contributor a future trading piece.

it's tough for me to give up on a 24 year old player like craw. i like him and i think he can be a really really good player in the league WITH the right tutelage. and that's something he has not received in the NBA.

cartwright played him at PG. then skiles moved him to SG. then he was flip flopped between both. then he came here and played for 2 more coaches.

he's young, willing to learn, and has the physical tools to be a special player.

harpring is awesome also but i wouldn't do this deal b/c harpring has reached his ceiling and i think he would be a good player to add if we were already a 50 win team trying to find those role players to push us over that hump.
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7/27/2005  7:47 PM
crawford has played FIVE seasons. That's not 2 or 3 like Sweetney. He's been given plenty of opportunities to make use of his PT, and while he's a proficient, but not efficient, scorer, he doesn't offer much in the way of defense or rebounding. And the sad thing is, he's best suited as a PG, but with Marbury and Nate here, he won't get the chance to show it.

Yes, there's talk of moving Marbury to SG every once and awhile, but I just can't see that working out. Marbury has played 8 seasons at PG. You don't just move to the 2 all of a sudden. If Marbury's not creating on offense, he's more or less useless. And he's not much of a 1-on-1 player, so what good is he at SG? He can't hit the 3 efficiently, so spotting him up is pointless. I think the only reason we hear talks about this is b/c there is no other option, other then simply leaving it as it is.....or trading him.

Either Marbury is traded and Crawford mans the point, or Marbury stays and Crawford goes. Some of you are arguing - why should we trade for an older guard who will only play 20 MPG. My answer - HOW MANY MINUTES DO YOU THINK CRAWFORD WILL SEE NEXT YEAR??? You wanna know.....try 20.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  7:52 PM
I don't like Crawff, but I do think that this trade proposal is garbage. We need to trade PFs....get that in your freaking heads...PFs...not SG, SF, Centers nor PGs.....POWER FREAKING FORWARDS....

Posted by bobs3304:

like i keep saying, all of you vastly overvalue what our players are worth. i sometimes make that same mistake, but hardly as often as alot of Knick fans, some even on this board.


crawford is OVERPAID. You won't get more than Harpring and a 2nd for him. I also think you're undervaluing Harpring. But maybe that' just me. For what it's worth, go see what Jazz and Knick fans alike think about this deal on the RGM trade board...
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7/27/2005  7:57 PM
read my reply, i said "to me".

i understand you're on the other side of the fence but you're arguing based purely on YOUR assumption of crawford's role. it's VERY possible that he starts and morphs into a rip hamilton type player b/c if he's still chucking 3's, he won't be on the court. and craw towards the end of the season was a better player that was driving more and taking less 3's - so that shows me that he can learn and grow.

i agree with you that craw is probably best at the point guard but i think we shouldn't consider trading craw until after the season has started and after we see how everyone fits together under LB. this guy is too young and has too many physical tools to move BEFORE we see him with LB.

hey, it could be a marbury, craw, Q starting lineup for all we know.
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7/27/2005  7:58 PM
You're right, but what does that have to do with this particular trade. I realize the PF spot is a situation we need to address, but that doesn't mean we need to keep players that should be traded. Keeping Crawford is unfair to him as a matter of fact b/c he won't get the minutes he needs to be effective. He's not really a guy that can make his impact felt in only 20 minutes of PT. Harpring is.


JYD is still a tradeable piece. I'm not seeing Isiah being able to move Taylor though. Sweetney is an obvious option as well. But for right now, I'm looking into other possibilites besides the obvious.


Guys, please stop overrating our players and their trade value.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/27/2005  7:59 PM
also, i think the only guys we can really consider trading at this point are : marbury, tim, rose, jyd, and james

why?

b/c we already know what kind of players they are and they're either at their ceiling or on the way down.

everybody else is still developing and i would like to see how they do develop under LB. we'll know soon, but not right now.
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