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What If TT under the guidance of Brown becomes the second star that we so desperately need?
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diderotn
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7/26/2005  10:45 PM
will you all be inclined to offer him a contract if he flourishes under Brown? We all know that he is very capable of becoming something special, but he is lacking the heart or desire necessary to get there....With Brown as our headcoach, Marburry will finally get the credit of doing his job as a PG. A lot of our guys will have a brake out season, particularly TT. If that is the case, will you be inclined to re-sign him??? It is just a question folks
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7/26/2005  10:48 PM
I've always liked Tim's game. You have never seen me if you look back in the posts, bash Tim Thomas. I know he potential. Players play for a new contract, as will Tim Thomas. I think after he does well this season, they will ship him before the deadline for a star caliber player. It's 50/50. Either we trade him when he's at his best, or we resign him. I like TT and hope he does well this season. Just let him come off the books so we can sign Lebron in 2007.
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7/26/2005  10:48 PM
what if Mo Taylor and Bruno Sundov do too?

TT is almost 30 and still only a 14 & 5 player at best. only guy I see having that potential is Nate not even Crawford
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7/26/2005  10:48 PM
I would still probably look to trade him at the deadline because I don't think anything he does can counterbalance what he hasn't done for his entire career.
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7/26/2005  10:48 PM
Posted by diderotn:

will you all be inclined to offer him a contract if he flourishes under Brown? We all know that he is very capable of becoming something special, but he is lacking the heart or desire necessary to get there....With Brown as our headcoach, Marburry will finally get the credit of doing his job as a PG. A lot of our guys will have a brake out season, particularly TT. If that is the case, will you be inclined to re-sign him??? It is just a question folks
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7/26/2005  10:52 PM
ya. too bad timmy couldn't become the player he should've been the FIRST time he was under Larry.....notice how I capitalized "first".



sarcasm anyone?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  10:52 PM
Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.
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7/26/2005  10:53 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.


Ya, and while we're at it, we can offer Claerance Weatherspoon the full MLE.........oh ****, we already did that.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  10:55 PM
Keep in mind that Larry is capable of getting TT to overachieve. 20/2apg and 7 rpg are numbers that TT is capable of producing....Especially given the fact that Q will be on the court to relieve him from some other duties...
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7/26/2005  10:58 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.

I will say one thing...if he does have the year of his life I will credit Brown for that and not because it is his expiring year and he's pulling a Dampier...I don't think he's smart or talented enough for that.
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7/26/2005  11:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by diderotn:

Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.

I will say one thing...if he does have the year of his life I will credit Brown for that and not because it is his expiring year and he's pulling a Dampier...I don't think he's smart or talented enough for that.
Not talented enough? He's one of the most talented athletes in the league. He's just lazy. If he has a great year, the problem is that the cause would be ambiguous--is it because it's a contract year, because Larry changed his game, or because he simply changed on his own? I don't believe someone who's lazy like he is will change after this many years. I'd trade him as soon as his trade value reached a higher level. I'd trade him now if I could get a decent player for him, but I think we'd get a better player about a month into the season.
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7/26/2005  11:24 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by diderotn:

Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.

I will say one thing...if he does have the year of his life I will credit Brown for that and not because it is his expiring year and he's pulling a Dampier...I don't think he's smart or talented enough for that.
Not talented enough? He's one of the most talented athletes in the league. He's just lazy. If he has a great year, the problem is that the cause would be ambiguous--is it because it's a contract year, because Larry changed his game, or because he simply changed on his own? I don't believe someone who's lazy like he is will change after this many years. I'd trade him as soon as his trade value reached a higher level. I'd trade him now if I could get a decent player for him, but I think we'd get a better player about a month into the season.

he's a talented guy who should've stsyed in school not go straight from dunking and shooting 3's in paterson, nj to college for 1yr
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7/26/2005  11:27 PM
if history has taught us anything, players like TT don't miraculously just change...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  11:31 PM
Historically, they change in a contract year.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/27/2005  12:17 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by diderotn:

Again, this is just a question about a decision that we will have to make soon or later. I want all of our Knicks to succeed, that includes TT. If he does well, especially well enough to take us over the top, I will say offer him a 4 year contract starting at $7 million per.

I will say one thing...if he does have the year of his life I will credit Brown for that and not because it is his expiring year and he's pulling a Dampier...I don't think he's smart or talented enough for that.

HAHA! so true. Timmy had one of his best years under Larry so hopefully the same happens again. Atleast Larry will not take any sh!t from TT so if TT wants to play he's going to have to earn it.
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7/27/2005  12:33 AM
Tiny Tim saying all the right things...I'm impressed:

Thomas and Marbury are the only Knicks to have played for Brown, and both sounded eager to have him on the bench.

Marbury, who clashed with Brown during last year's Olympics, said Friday that hiring Brown was "a no-brainer."

Thomas said: "In coaching, there's a lot of teaching. But he's like the professor. He's going to constantly tell you what's right and what's wrong, and he's going to constantly keep teaching. You don't have that in a lot of coaches these days. And he's going to push you to work harder. That's No. 1."

Brown is known, too, for falling in and out of love with players - his own, and those on rival teams. He had Thomas traded to Milwaukee in March 1999. "I was young and I didn't really know what Larry was trying to do for myself, on and off the court," said Thomas, who was 20 when he entered the league, and perhaps not ready for Brown's perfectionism. "As you get older, you really appreciate that. He's a great coach."

So what will the Brown-led Knicks do that recent Knicks teams did not? Presumably, they will play better defense. Brown's teams have ranked eighth or better in opponents' field-goal percentage in each of the last seven seasons. The Knicks ranked 28th last season.

"Defense: that's big with Larry," Thomas said. "He knows nowadays that pretty much everybody is offensive-minded. And to win games you've got to play defense."

Brown has taken seven N.B.A. teams to the playoffs, a record. Making the Knicks the eighth could require every ounce of his coaching acumen.

"He's the professor, and he's going to definitely be the general," Thomas said. "So the show is going to run through him."
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7/27/2005  12:42 AM
I look into my crystal ball and I see TT going to Memphis for Gasol in some form or another.

We need front court talented 7 footer and they need a talented swing man AND would enjoy the cap relief.

I really want to keep TT and see him succeed in the area, I'm all about giving his minutes to Reezy and Q and also Lee, and if we could sponge a PF off on the grizz, and ship a PF over to them...

but with TT's humungus salary, maybe we could be patient and wait until after the season and go for a sign an trade or simply resign him for less money.

I just don't want to see Craw squeezed on the bench along with Reezy.

TT exits town, those two get quality minutes.

I keep reading random writings of playing Tiny Tim at the 4...if that's the case...oh, I'm sleepy...
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7/27/2005  6:51 AM
I simply expect all of our underachievers to showup next season....
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7/27/2005  7:54 AM
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7/27/2005  8:10 AM
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