well when you predict everything Isiah touches will turn to crap your working with pretty good odds

Posted by fishmike:

well when you predict everything Isiah touches will turn to crap your working with pretty good odds

I get your point but that's not completely fair to me. I call out his bad moves but I give reasons as to why they won't work, I don't just give a blanket "It sucks, it won't work" statement.

I said the Marbury trade was bad because we gave up too much and took back too much salary for a severely flawed selfish player. How did that turn out?

I said the Crawford trade was bad because you can't give that much money and for that long of a period to a gunner who isn't that accurate or smart enough to wait for more than 4 seconds before launching a bad shot. How did that turn out?

I said the Kurt Thomas trade was bad because they were trading their best interior defender and a solid role player whose trade value was higher than a broken down Q and a 5'9 SG. How is that working out? KT still has more trade value than Q and Nate put together.

I said the Curry trade was ridiculous because we gave up a ton for a player who is always out of shape, has a heart condition that makes him untradeable since his contract isn't insurable, has a very poor work ethic, doesn't play any defense and is a poor rebounder. Although I did neglect to mention that he has no offensive game whatsoever other than to bull his way to the basket and hope for the best. How is that turning out? Just ask the Bulls come this summer when they get a top 3 pick and the cap room to sign a good free agent.

So back to what SlimPack said. Islesfan...Super Genius

Posted by OasisBU:

Isles...considering what it cost us to get Francis (basically nothing) you are spot on for your reasons why we got ripped off in the Marbury trade. Although he was coming from a winning situation so his value was a little higher - but Zeke still got robbed.

The Francis trade wasn't so bad in terms of what we gave up, although considering what he's going to cost including the luxury tax he still has a cap killing contract, but what exactly was the point in getting a player similar to Marbury? To trade him later on? With that contract who exactly is going to take him or Marbury, much less trading them for players like KG or Jermaine O'Neal? One player like that is hard enough to trade, so you get another one?? Sure, let's duplicate that area when we're so deficient in so many others. It's non sensical.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by OasisBU:

Isles...considering what it cost us to get Francis (basically nothing) you are spot on for your reasons why we got ripped off in the Marbury trade. Although he was coming from a winning situation so his value was a little higher - but Zeke still got robbed.

The Francis trade wasn't so bad in terms of what we gave up, although considering what he's going to cost including the luxury tax he still has a cap killing contract, but what exactly was the point in getting a player similar to Marbury? To trade him later on? With that contract who exactly is going to take him or Marbury, much less trading them for players like KG or Jermaine O'Neal? One player like that is hard enough to trade, so you get another one?? Sure, let's duplicate that area when we're so deficient in so many others. It's non sensical.

I think beyond the fact that we only really gave up Ariza for Franchise there are several reason Brown wanted him:

- Nate and Jamal SUCK at PG duty. Knicks don't have a guy they can trust to run the offense and Brown would rather have Nate on the bench for a year and JC at backup SG.

- If the opportunity presents itself, to trade for a stud guy at a power position, you really can't just give up Frye. Frye+Marb or Frye+Steve will do it.

- With the way handchecking is today, guards who get to the basket and can take contact to draw fouls are going to be premium. Nate can't do it or doesn't really understand how to finish or pass. JC avoids contact and does weird floater stuff instead of going all the way. Q is broke and is still toeing the 3 point line like he was back in Phoenix.