[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Time to give I.T. Props
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 5  1  2  3 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
knicksavvy
Posts: 20082
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2005
Member: #945
7/26/2005  4:12 PM
I think it is time to give IT his due. He has done a remarkable job with this franchise. From his first move of bringing in starbury to getting rid of players such as spoon and eisly he has not stop working since he got to NY. The Knicks even though we have been a bad team we have been in the news almost as much as the spurs. I am not drinking kool aid just being realistic... And if and when we sign Larry brown granted we havcen't won any thing yet but I.T. would have to be mentioned as one of the best G M in the NBA.
Does my faith show? Go Knicks!!!
AUTOADVERT
bobs3304
Posts: 24827
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 7/5/2005
Member: #948
7/26/2005  4:18 PM
Alright, relax there buddy. First off, there's another thread on exactly the same subject. Try digging it up, b/c Marty will probly lock this one.

Second, we haven't even gotten to training camp yet. I agree, getting Larry Brown really helps turn this team around. But when the Yanks went out and acquired Randy Johnson everyone thought they'd be getting the dominating force that he'd been prior to this year. What you get is not always what you've seen...

I think with Larry on Board, I'd rate Isiah's tenure here as a 6.5, based solely on potential. If I was basing it on results via the moves and decisions he's made, I'd give him a 4. But I think we now have the opportunity to do some good things. We'll find out in the next few months how this rotation is set to look. But please, don't make yourself look stupid by saying Isiah is one of the best GM's in the league. It hasn't translated into wins yet. Once it does, then we can talk...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 16:19:51]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
7/26/2005  4:20 PM
Posted by knicksavvy:

I think it is time to give IT his due. He has done a remarkable job with this franchise. From his first move of bringing in starbury to getting rid of players such as spoon and eisly he has not stop working since he got to NY. The Knicks even though we have been a bad team we have been in the news almost as much as the spurs. I am not drinking kool aid just being realistic... And if and when we sign Larry brown granted we havcen't won any thing yet but I.T. would have to be mentioned as one of the best G M in the NBA.

He deserves plenty of credit for spending more money than nearly any franchise other than the yankees.

Not every franchise can go out and spend $60M on larry brown who might only coach a year and a half before leaving.

He had the vision to take a tweaner like fry at 8, rather than roll the dice and gamble on someone like bynum.

He's turned over the roster and increased wins by -7!

Good job.
Knight
Posts: 22775
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/21/2005
Member: #968
7/26/2005  4:26 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by knicksavvy:

I think it is time to give IT his due. He has done a remarkable job with this franchise. From his first move of bringing in starbury to getting rid of players such as spoon and eisly he has not stop working since he got to NY. The Knicks even though we have been a bad team we have been in the news almost as much as the spurs. I am not drinking kool aid just being realistic... And if and when we sign Larry brown granted we havcen't won any thing yet but I.T. would have to be mentioned as one of the best G M in the NBA.

He deserves plenty of credit for spending more money than nearly any franchise other than the yankees.

Not every franchise can go out and spend $60M on larry brown who might only coach a year and a half before leaving.

He had the vision to take a tweaner like fry at 8, rather than roll the dice and gamble on someone like bynum.

He's turned over the roster and increased wins by -7!

Good job.

Talk about seeing the glass half empty...you already know our wins will decrease next year? You already know the figures in the LB deal? You already know how long LB will coach? You want to gamble on Bynum--an unproven commodity but you don't want to gamble on Brown? This is more crazy talk!
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
7/26/2005  4:35 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by knicksavvy:

I think it is time to give IT his due. He has done a remarkable job with this franchise. From his first move of bringing in starbury to getting rid of players such as spoon and eisly he has not stop working since he got to NY. The Knicks even though we have been a bad team we have been in the news almost as much as the spurs. I am not drinking kool aid just being realistic... And if and when we sign Larry brown granted we havcen't won any thing yet but I.T. would have to be mentioned as one of the best G M in the NBA.

He deserves plenty of credit for spending more money than nearly any franchise other than the yankees.

Not every franchise can go out and spend $60M on larry brown who might only coach a year and a half before leaving.

He had the vision to take a tweaner like fry at 8, rather than roll the dice and gamble on someone like bynum.

He's turned over the roster and increased wins by -7!

Good job.

Talk about seeing the glass half empty...you already know our wins will decrease next year? You already know the figures in the LB deal? You already know how long LB will coach? You want to gamble on Bynum--an unproven commodity but you don't want to gamble on Brown? This is more crazy talk!

The -7 wins is the difference in the layden roster vs this one this past season. I might be off some for sure, but change doesn't mean better.

I will agree that the parts have in some instances improved.

I don't have a problem with bring brown in- but IT ain't doing anything dramatic, unless you call whipping out a $60m paycheck dramatic.

I think Isiah's done a decent job, but before we go overboard, go look at San Antonio, and how they drafted Parker and Ginobili and got Horry in. That's vision. That's genius.

Paying $60m to Larry Brown is not genius.

Genius to me would have been finding the next hot coach, the next Doc Rivers or Phil Jackson, and giving them a shot.

Genius to me would have been taking a risk at turning this franchise around by not picking the safe (or soft) guy at 8, but taking Bynum and having a vision like San Antonio did with Parker and Ginobili.
knicksavvy
Posts: 20082
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2005
Member: #945
7/26/2005  4:38 PM
you know you are making yourself look stupid by not reconizing hard work. I am not even going to talk about all the moves made to give the knicks a more positive outlook tnan what laydon left behind. But if all of the knick fans would look objectivly at the whole picture we have a lot to look foward to And if you read my post we have not won any thing yet .. But if I was a betting man I would bet with the addittion of larry we will be a better team next year ...sorry if there was another post on this subject .. but you responded so every thing must not been said
Does my faith show? Go Knicks!!!
Knight
Posts: 22775
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/21/2005
Member: #968
7/26/2005  4:38 PM
Detroit had "vision" with Darko...not looking too genius there--I don't think it's genius, some players pan out, others don't--there's a lot of luck involved. San Antonio was fortunate, if Robinson wasn't hurt the year before Duncan arrived they would have never had the pick...and we wouldn't be talking about San Antonio's "vision".
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
fishmike
Posts: 53867
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
7/26/2005  4:44 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Alright, relax there buddy. First off, there's another thread on exactly the same subject. Try digging it up, b/c Marty will probly lock this one.

Second, we haven't even gotten to training camp yet. I agree, getting Larry Brown really helps turn this team around. But when the Yanks went out and acquired Randy Johnson everyone thought they'd be getting the dominating force that he'd been prior to this year. What you get is not always what you've seen...

I think with Larry on Board, I'd rate Isiah's tenure here as a 6.5, based solely on potential. If I was basing it on results via the moves and decisions he's made, I'd give him a 4. But I think we now have the opportunity to do some good things. We'll find out in the next few months how this rotation is set to look. But please, don't make yourself look stupid by saying Isiah is one of the best GM's in the league. It hasn't translated into wins yet. Once it does, then we can talk...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 16:19:51]
well said. I will give him credit for one thing, and thats changing his philosophy when the old one wasnt working. He was in 100% win now mode when he added $250mm in salary with Marbury, Penny, Crawford, Baker and JYD among others. When it translated into 32 wins he went in a different direction and did a good job adding young players and quality draft picks. If he sticks to that plan, if Larry B teaches instead of tinkers we will be in great shape, the team will do well, the franchise will thrive and Isiah will be the brain behind it. Long time between now and then
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
bobs3304
Posts: 24827
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 7/5/2005
Member: #948
7/26/2005  4:48 PM
we're in the same position as the mets. we can still make the playoffs next year, but we're built for 2006 and later....
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/26/2005  4:58 PM
33 wins!
¿ △ ?
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
7/26/2005  4:58 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by knicksavvy:

I think it is time to give IT his due. He has done a remarkable job with this franchise. From his first move of bringing in starbury to getting rid of players such as spoon and eisly he has not stop working since he got to NY. The Knicks even though we have been a bad team we have been in the news almost as much as the spurs. I am not drinking kool aid just being realistic... And if and when we sign Larry brown granted we havcen't won any thing yet but I.T. would have to be mentioned as one of the best G M in the NBA.

He deserves plenty of credit for spending more money than nearly any franchise other than the yankees.

Not every franchise can go out and spend $60M on larry brown who might only coach a year and a half before leaving.

He had the vision to take a tweaner like fry at 8, rather than roll the dice and gamble on someone like bynum.

He's turned over the roster and increased wins by -7!

Good job.

Talk about seeing the glass half empty...you already know our wins will decrease next year? You already know the figures in the LB deal? You already know how long LB will coach? You want to gamble on Bynum--an unproven commodity but you don't want to gamble on Brown? This is more crazy talk!

The -7 wins is the difference in the layden roster vs this one this past season. I might be off some for sure, but change doesn't mean better.

I will agree that the parts have in some instances improved.

I don't have a problem with bring brown in- but IT ain't doing anything dramatic, unless you call whipping out a $60m paycheck dramatic.

I think Isiah's done a decent job, but before we go overboard, go look at San Antonio, and how they drafted Parker and Ginobili and got Horry in. That's vision. That's genius.

Paying $60m to Larry Brown is not genius.

Genius to me would have been finding the next hot coach, the next Doc Rivers or Phil Jackson, and giving them a shot.

Genius to me would have been taking a risk at turning this franchise around by not picking the safe (or soft) guy at 8, but taking Bynum and having a vision like San Antonio did with Parker and Ginobili.

Frye a tweener? what a tweener between center and PF? hell I will take that over a PF and SF tweener, anyday!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
7/26/2005  5:00 PM
Posted by Knight:

Detroit had "vision" with Darko...not looking too genius there--I don't think it's genius, some players pan out, others don't--there's a lot of luck involved. San Antonio was fortunate, if Robinson wasn't hurt the year before Duncan arrived they would have never had the pick...and we wouldn't be talking about San Antonio's "vision".

exactly, what vision did SA have? a vision to take two foreign players, on late in the first round and the other late in the second round? Oh yea they really took a chance there, what vision, I guess the bucks had vision when taking Redd at 43, right? (rolling eyes)
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
knicksavvy
Posts: 20082
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2005
Member: #945
7/26/2005  5:01 PM
With any new job you have to feel your way you talk aqbout all the money spent in a little under two years IT has turned this team around and has put them on the verge of winning again not a championship but deff on the right road .... Now other than maybe jerry west who else have come in two years and have been such an impact in a market like N Y where the fans demand a winner I rest my case ....one of the best GM in the NBA
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by bobs3304:

Alright, relax there buddy. First off, there's another thread on exactly the same subject. Try digging it up, b/c Marty will probly lock this one.

Second, we haven't even gotten to training camp yet. I agree, getting Larry Brown really helps turn this team around. But when the Yanks went out and acquired Randy Johnson everyone thought they'd be getting the dominating force that he'd been prior to this year. What you get is not always what you've seen...

I think with Larry on Board, I'd rate Isiah's tenure here as a 6.5, based solely on potential. If I was basing it on results via the moves and decisions he's made, I'd give him a 4. But I think we now have the opportunity to do some good things. We'll find out in the next few months how this rotation is set to look. But please, don't make yourself look stupid by saying Isiah is one of the best GM's in the league. It hasn't translated into wins yet. Once it does, then we can talk...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 16:19:51]
well said. I will give him credit for one thing, and thats changing his philosophy when the old one wasnt working. He was in 100% win now mode when he added $250mm in salary with Marbury, Penny, Crawford, Baker and JYD among others. When it translated into 32 wins he went in a different direction and did a good job adding young players and quality draft picks. If he sticks to that plan, if Larry B teaches instead of tinkers we will be in great shape, the team will do well, the franchise will thrive and Isiah will be the brain behind it. Long time between now and then
Does my faith show? Go Knicks!!!
simrud
Posts: 23392
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/13/2003
Member: #474
USA
7/26/2005  5:57 PM
You don't deserve the designation of one of the best GM's until your team actually has a winning record in a full season.

If what IT is trying to do works out within the next 2-3 years, then I will say, yes, he is a great GM. So far it has blown up in his face last year.

And the year before that in the playoffs against the Nets where we were humiliated. I'd almost rather not us make the playoffs that year then get swept by the Nets of all teams.

Based on the results up to date IT has not done very well at all. However he claims that his moves are geared towards the future. That seems to be his one excuse now. Lets see how it pans out, maybe he is right.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
Nalod
Posts: 71394
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
7/26/2005  6:47 PM
Ok, if it makes everybody happy, give the man a damm prop!

No more Isiah is god Threads!

We did good this off seaon, but we just came off a 33 win season,

HIs draft picks have yet to play a minute, lets not start sucking each others dick quite yet!

he gets props for having patience (for once) and 12 mil a year to pay a coach! Mad props?

Wait until the season at least starts!
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/26/2005  10:28 PM
I guess it's never too early to give Isiah his props or his due like in last weeks thread. But it's always way too early to criticize him because 18 months, 4 head coaches and 2 drastically different plans just isn't enough for some people.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
7/26/2005  10:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I guess it's never too early to give Isiah his props or his due like in last weeks thread. But it's always way too early to criticize him because 18 months, 4 head coaches and 2 drastically different plans just isn't enough for some people.

I have no problem with a GM who realizes he was wrong by giving into theimmediate playoff pressure of NY. I have a problem with Layden signing guys to millions and trying to rip other teams off and then settling for Spoon & KVH and talking about how much he likes the team and its character guys!
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/26/2005  10:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by bobs3304:

Alright, relax there buddy. First off, there's another thread on exactly the same subject. Try digging it up, b/c Marty will probly lock this one.

Second, we haven't even gotten to training camp yet. I agree, getting Larry Brown really helps turn this team around. But when the Yanks went out and acquired Randy Johnson everyone thought they'd be getting the dominating force that he'd been prior to this year. What you get is not always what you've seen...

I think with Larry on Board, I'd rate Isiah's tenure here as a 6.5, based solely on potential. If I was basing it on results via the moves and decisions he's made, I'd give him a 4. But I think we now have the opportunity to do some good things. We'll find out in the next few months how this rotation is set to look. But please, don't make yourself look stupid by saying Isiah is one of the best GM's in the league. It hasn't translated into wins yet. Once it does, then we can talk...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 16:19:51]
well said. I will give him credit for one thing, and thats changing his philosophy when the old one wasnt working. He was in 100% win now mode when he added $250mm in salary with Marbury, Penny, Crawford, Baker and JYD among others.
So he gets Brown (likely) and Jerome James and now he's not in a win now mode? He's been in the same win now and win long-term mode the whole time. It's why, to give a few examples, he got Ariza (long-term), Marbury and Crawford (now and long-term), took Sweetney off the IR and started him (long-term), traded Nazy for 2 1st rd picks (long-term). The plan didn't change; it just took some people a long time to figure it out.
diderotn
Posts: 25657
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/15/2004
Member: #650
USA
7/26/2005  10:41 PM
Isiah will be GM of the year by end of the season.
The true Knickabocker..........
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/26/2005  10:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The plan didn't change; it just took some people a long time to figure it out.

I guess that's your story and you're sticking to it. Sure, let's just ignore all of the contradictory quotes from Isiah saying one thing and now doing another. Like when he said 18 months ago that you couldn't rebuild in NY (check my sig) and now he quoted saying that he's in rebuilding mode. But hey, why accept the truth when you can spin it into something else.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Page 1 of 5  1  2  3 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Time to give I.T. Props
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy