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Sweetney's Year - Just a feeling
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JUNKMEIN
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7/26/2005  4:42 AM
Projecting how Sweetney dominated the Big East in years past against teams much more loaded than GT (ie. Cuse, UConn) and how he has performed in limited minutes over the last year and a half. I predict that from this point into the future he will finally make a complete transition into the pro game and achieve placement into the upper echelon of low post players in the NBA. This speculation is based on the following two reasons:

1) If Larry Brown is our coach...and I do believe it will be official certainly before the week is out...Michael Sweetney will become a borderline Allstar...this year.

Supporting facts: This regime change on the bench will mark a change in Sweetney's career arch. LB will utilize Sweetney's low post game as a main cog in the Knicks offensive scheme. Marbs and Craw will run it Larry's way or it'll be the highway. We'll see none of the veteran bias going on here with LB. LB makes more than 99% of the players and management (Isiah included). That same ethic that kept Sweetney on the bench for Kurt (not knocking him) and every other vet is (will be) gone. Larry Brown will play a young player that works hard on the floor (i.e. Prince, etc.).

Which leads to the following:

2) If Sweetney reshapes his body by pulling a Udonis Haslem/Micheal Doleac bodytype metamorphosis out of the proverbial bread basket ....he will become a top flight low post player here in the east.

Supporting facts: He would have had to have made the decision back in April at the very latest to start on a 6 month program to fundamentally alter the muscle to fat ratio of his body. I believe that Sweetney made this decision based upon the statements made by Isiah in reference to trusting him with his training. This young man is a warrior. To average the amount of rebounds at the weight he was carrying in the limited playing time he got is phenomenal. This man will have a chip on his shoulder the size of the Garden. Isiah made the trade of Kurt because he put all of his eggs in that basket with Sweetney (plus you can't knock Nate and Q). Sweetney owes Isiah, us and mainly himself the opportunity to take his game to the next level. In order to do that he must allow his body to deliver what his mind has to offer. 250lbs/5% body fat with a Karl Malone work ethic to bat.

In summary - Put the Pork Sh!tterlings down and step away from the table

Lastly, I merely put forward one example of a player in Detroit and Philly (both LB stopoffs) that received significant playing time. This players game was similar from an offensive standpoint to Sweetney's game...except not as good: Corliss Williamson.

I've just got a feeling that the stars have aligned for this young man. Larry Brown as a teacher, coach and mentor means Sweetney has every opportunity to excell. As long as he holds up his part of the bargain...RESHAPE HIS BODY...I see absolutely no reason this man can't fulfill his potential and ascend to the level of an upper echelon low post player in the NBA.





[Edited by - Junkmein on 07/26/2005 05:06:34]
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7/26/2005  5:33 AM
I think that if Sweetney come into camp with a better body, he will be a very good power forward.... on a different team. But this Knicks team is a guard oriented team. Unless Sweetney shoots over .70% from the field, he's not going to get enough touches to reach his potential, which I think would be 17-10. The only way that would change was if we got a Forward player that Marbury and Crawford et al would respect as a better player than themselves i.e. the superstars, KG, TD, Dirk, Amare. Till that happens, our guards will be the offense, and everyone else is there to clean up after them.
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JUNKMEIN
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7/26/2005  8:30 AM
Posted by firefly:

I think that if Sweetney come into camp with a better body, he will be a very good power forward.... on a different team. But this Knicks team is a guard oriented team. Unless Sweetney shoots over .70% from the field, he's not going to get enough touches to reach his potential, which I think would be 17-10. The only way that would change was if we got a Forward player that Marbury and Crawford et al would respect as a better player than themselves i.e. the superstars, KG, TD, Dirk, Amare. Till that happens, our guards will be the offense, and everyone else is there to clean up after them.

Yeah, but that's just the thing. With LB here things are not going to be just the same. Yes, it's a guard oriented team....and it's been getting the crap kicked out of it for the last 5 years. I submit that our inside game has been neglected in place of maintaining the status quo. Kurt was in no way shape or form our best inside presence. Yet he got all of the touches...from 15 feet out (pick and roll yada yada). This team has better inside players than the Iverson/Brown Sixers. Sweetney will be utilized under this new oncourt leadership.

Isiah has brought someone here who will match him on influence on decision making. It's not business as usual. That was Isiah's job and he deserves all of the credit for it.

If Herb (who I respect) was in charge then maybe the old rules of Marbury getting enough touches and Tiny Tim getting enough time to work through his off court troubles on the court would apply. But that's not the case with the new Regime.

LB will utilize all of his assets and he won't give a hoot about maintaining Marburys 20 & 8 average. You'll see this new policy reflected in everything from the commaderie on the court to the ingame substitution patterns. It'll be about winning...period.

[Edited by - Junkmein on 07/26/2005 08:34:43]
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7/26/2005  10:15 AM
Larry Brown made it a point to get Ben Wallace involved in the offense from the minute he arrived in detroit so that the offense could be balanced....I'm pretty sure he will do the same with out 3 bigman who are all better than Big Ben offensively
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7/26/2005  10:20 AM
I agree with you 100% gun......We will be dealing with a different type of coaching style. Sort of methododical, but extremely effective. Larry believes in the inside out game, but he also knows that his best assets are at the guard position. Marb (Billups, Q (Rip), TT (Prince) will all get touches.
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7/26/2005  11:36 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

1) If Larry Brown is our coach...and I do believe it will be official certainly before the week is out...Michael Sweetney will become a borderline Allstar...this year.

LB will utilize Sweetney's low post game as a main cog in the Knicks offensive scheme.[Edited by - Junkmein on 07/26/2005 05:06:34]

Don't know about all these predictions... Poincare's hypothesis states that prediction is impossible, lets just put it that way.

I certainly hope Sweetney breaks out. I just don't see him getting more PT than a guy like Rose who has more experience and plays smarter.
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7/26/2005  11:38 AM
I want all of our boys to have a good season....We will be the Phoenix of the East.
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7/26/2005  11:41 AM
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Don't know about all these predictions... Poincare's hypothesis states that prediction is impossible, lets just put it that way.

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7/26/2005  11:45 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I want all of our boys to have a good season....We will be the Phoenix of the East.
No way in hell we become the phoenix of the east. Not with LArry Brown.
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7/26/2005  1:26 PM
here's my .02 $:


Mike Sweetney needed to lose the fat and improve his quickness.

If he was able to do that, and it's no guarantee b/c we haven't heard one way or the other yet, then I would agree with the assumption that he could very well become one of the better PF's in the leage. If he was just a bit more athletic (which could be achieved by losing the weight and improving his lateral), then he could easily give us 10 and 10 in 30 MPG...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 13:27:26]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  1:36 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

here's my .02 $:


Mike Sweetney needed to lose the fat and improve his quickness.

If he was able to do that, and it's no guarantee b/c we haven't heard one way or the other yet, then I would agree with the assumption that he could very well become one of the better PF's in the leage. If he was just a bit more athletic (which could be achieved by losing the weight and improving his lateral), then he could easily give us 10 and 10 in 30 MPG...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 13:27:26]

exactly until he losses weight he won't average 30mins to put up big numbers. He'll be in foul trouble trying to keep up and overmatched by taller more athletic players which covers just about every PF
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7/26/2005  3:30 PM
If Sweetney doesn't get his body right this season. Then I doubt his desire to ever do it. Him becoming a good starter this season would make playoffs very likly. I would say Q & Sweetney are the biggest X factors for us making playoffs. Crawford-Frye-Ariza are the X factors for us becoming a more than a one rd and done playoff team.

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7/26/2005  3:40 PM
I don't think Ariza is much of an X-factor. I can see TT & Lee getting a lot of his minutes at SF. He's still way too raw, bad mechanics on his shot, bad ballhandling and lacks the size to finish in traffic without throwing up a wild shot.

I think Jerome James is a huge x-factor because if he can play like he did in the playoffs for 20-25mins not the 16mins he's averaged his entire career we will make the playoffs for sure. Nate could be a huge part of our success too allowing us to trade Crawford or Marbury for frontcourt help.
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7/26/2005  3:42 PM
if Sweetney mirrors Elton Brand, in any way shape or form, that's a huge tell on what kind of success we'll have next season. If he comes into training camp fat and out of shape -- his ass is gonna get traded faster than you can say "2 all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese".
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  3:52 PM
I'm in the minority, but I dont think Sweetney's weight is a big problem. I think he gained weight as the season went on and probably hit up around 300, where he should really be around 275-280 at the most. I see Sweetney's #1 problem is he's not being utilized properly. Right now he does 2 things well on the NBA level. He can score the basketball in the post and he caqn rebound on both sides of the floor.
Last year I would say 75% of his fouls came up high on help D or chasing smaller players. Also he often wound up in the high post and didnt get a lot of 1on1 post up chances. His best asset at GTown was posting in transition. He would run down the floor, immediatly knock someone off the block, get great position and essentially score at will when the guards got him the ball. He did the same thing last year, only the guards didnt get him the ball.

If we can focus on a) keeping him close to the basket where a player with his skill set should be, and b) get him the ball in the post EARLY in the clock, especially when he runs down floor and gets it early Sweetney will have a real impact year and quickly open things up for our perimeter players, especially in transition
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7/26/2005  3:56 PM
i agree with your analysis, except you're def. wrong about the weight. in order for sweetney to maximize his potential, he needs to maximize his athleticism. only problem is that he's not very athletic to begin with, so any extra weight, no matter how small, is detrimental to his development as a player. he needs to shed the baby fat, and pack on some lean muscle. He also def. needs to work on his lateral, which will, in turn, improve his defense. he's a big boy to begin with so he should have no problem maintaining his post defense...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/26/2005  4:23 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I'm in the minority, but I dont think Sweetney's weight is a big problem. I think he gained weight as the season went on and probably hit up around 300, where he should really be around 275-280 at the most. I see Sweetney's #1 problem is he's not being utilized properly. Right now he does 2 things well on the NBA level. He can score the basketball in the post and he caqn rebound on both sides of the floor.
Last year I would say 75% of his fouls came up high on help D or chasing smaller players. Also he often wound up in the high post and didnt get a lot of 1on1 post up chances. His best asset at GTown was posting in transition. He would run down the floor, immediatly knock someone off the block, get great position and essentially score at will when the guards got him the ball. He did the same thing last year, only the guards didnt get him the ball.

If we can focus on a) keeping him close to the basket where a player with his skill set should be, and b) get him the ball in the post EARLY in the clock, especially when he runs down floor and gets it early Sweetney will have a real impact year and quickly open things up for our perimeter players, especially in transition

exactly. i seriously seriously seriously think our offense can flow through sweetney. i believe he's that good.

why they didn't try it last season in april, i'll never know. another wasted opportunity but he needs to get the ball in the post to really maximise his impact - which would be a big one.
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7/26/2005  4:36 PM
Sweetney isnt fast he's quick, and he's got great hands. I dont want him too light, I think he would lose some effectiveness. Maybe he could get a little stronger, but still stay around 275

22/10.5/3.5 at GTown and fat. 55% FGs and 10 FT's a game. We have seen him use his size at this level to push around Eddie Curry and Jermaine Oneil and score at will for stretches on those guys.

Lets utilized him properly first, then see if he needs to change his body
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7/26/2005  4:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Sweetney isnt fast he's quick, and he's got great hands. I dont want him too light, I think he would lose some effectiveness. Maybe he could get a little stronger, but still stay around 275

22/10.5/3.5 at GTown and fat. 55% FGs and 10 FT's a game. We have seen him use his size at this level to push around Eddie Curry and Jermaine Oneil and score at will for stretches on those guys.

Lets utilized him properly first, then see if he needs to change his body

Agree with you.

Many games I watched I took note of sweetney in transition- he can motor up the court.

I remember two kids in HS having a foot race when I was a boy scout.

One, older and big as heck- shapped like sweetney.

The other, my age and fast as a rabbit.

The big kid won.

Some big guys shapped like beach balls can flat out move.
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7/26/2005  4:43 PM
he needs to get in shape. getting in shape involves turning fat into muscle. he can still maintain his bulk while enhancing all other areas of his body...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/26/2005 16:43:51]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Sweetney's Year - Just a feeling

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