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Have The Knicks Ever Had A Running Team?
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TheSage
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7/25/2005  9:18 AM
I do not recall the knx ever having a running team or at least one that has been successful at that type of game. Can LB turn the knx, as constructed, into an earlier day Celtics type team??
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Marv
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7/25/2005  9:31 AM
Posted by TheSage:

I do not recall the knx ever having a running team or at least one that has been successful at that type of game. Can LB turn the knx, as constructed, into an earlier day Celtics type team??

The old Clyde/Barnett/Pearl/Bradley KNicks ran.

The Pitino/Jackson/Gerald Knicks ran too.

I want to see the Frye/Lee//Nate/Craw/Reezy KNicks run like crazy!
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7/25/2005  9:53 AM
Red's teams in the 60s and 70s like most teams ran when they had the chance but what made that team unique was their half court-hit the open man philosophy and Pitino's team were geared to the 3 point shot
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7/25/2005  11:50 AM
knicks had a running team the first year in the post ewing era.
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7/25/2005  11:52 AM
Does Larry's system fit a roster like ours? Will he allow our boys to run?
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7/25/2005  12:31 PM
Larry isn't anti run, he just wants to make sure that the team plays sound in the half court. The Pistons would run off of good Defense and that is really what a good team does. We'll get a lot of steals with this team and that will lead to fastbreaks, some blocked shots as well. We have to rebound the ball and hopefully we'll be better than last year at that.

I wouldn't worry about the fact that this team isn't like the Pistons. All of his teams had different types of players and he found a way to win with them. This team is built in a different way, but that doesn't mean we can't be successful. We have some of the quickest players in the league now and i'd expect that we will be able to run more, but we can also play well in the half court with the post players we have now. I think LB will like this teams versatility.
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7/25/2005  1:43 PM
Since I am not that far from Larry's age-he grew up with the Celtics of the 50's and 60's. A team that was geared to defense rebounding and fast breaks. I have to believe that the creation of that type of system would be a challenge for him to undertake and a running team would not be an impediment to his taking on the reins of the knx.
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7/25/2005  1:46 PM
I have a feeling that by tomorrow LB will be officially introduced as our headcoach.
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7/25/2005  9:21 PM
Pitino had the best running Knicks team with Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins and Ewing. They won 50 games I think a couple of times. Didn't do much in the playoffs except sweep a so-so Sixer team as I recall. A poor man's Phoenix Suns from this year. Built for the regular season and not the playoffs.
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7/25/2005  9:29 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Pitino had the best running Knicks team with Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins and Ewing. They won 50 games I think a couple of times. Didn't do much in the playoffs except sweep a so-so Sixer team as I recall. A poor man's Phoenix Suns from this year. Built for the regular season and not the playoffs.

Mark Jackson's rookie season was one of the most fun NBA seasons for me all-time.
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7/25/2005  9:35 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Pitino had the best running Knicks team with Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins and Ewing. They won 50 games I think a couple of times. Didn't do much in the playoffs except sweep a so-so Sixer team as I recall. A poor man's Phoenix Suns from this year. Built for the regular season and not the playoffs.

actually 37 games his first season and then jumped to 52-30 his second season and then pitino bounced to kentucky.

that 87/88 team with ewing, oakley, jnew, gerald, mark with tucker, sidney green, and eddie lee wilkins off the bench was a FUN FUN team to watch. all young, 3 point shooting out the wazoo, and jackson with the spectacular passing. even oakley had 20 3's that year.

second closest was when the grumblings started in 99, wanting ewing to get out of town, we had a unit of childs, spree, camby and houston and van gundy wanted to run. problem was ewing didn't, and then layden made the trade and the knicks as we know it were done.
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7/25/2005  9:35 PM
From my perspective, Pitino's teams were more enjoyable to watch than Riley's teams.
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7/25/2005  10:42 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TheSage:

I do not recall the knx ever having a running team or at least one that has been successful at that type of game. Can LB turn the knx, as constructed, into an earlier day Celtics type team??

The old Clyde/Barnett/Pearl/Bradley KNicks ran.

The Pitino/Jackson/Gerald Knicks ran too.

I want to see the Frye/Lee//Nate/Craw/Reezy KNicks run like crazy!

Clyde/Barnet/Pearl/Reed/dd/Bradley etc knicks were not a running team.
They were a 1/2 court team that had good shooters at every position and shooters coming off the bench. They had no players who were exceptionally athletic - just guys who had good skills, great basket ball minds and were willing to play team ball. (Fans that love only high flying above the rim basketball would have hated this team.) It was a high scoring era but the Knicks were a relatively low scoring team. The knick averaged 105 ppg in 72-73 while teams like the lakers and celtic averaged about 112.
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7/25/2005  10:51 PM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TheSage:

I do not recall the knx ever having a running team or at least one that has been successful at that type of game. Can LB turn the knx, as constructed, into an earlier day Celtics type team??

The old Clyde/Barnett/Pearl/Bradley KNicks ran.

The Pitino/Jackson/Gerald Knicks ran too.

I want to see the Frye/Lee//Nate/Craw/Reezy KNicks run like crazy!

Clyde/Barnet/Pearl/Reed/dd/Bradley etc knicks were not a running team.
They were a 1/2 court team that had good shooters at every position and shooters coming off the bench. They had no players who were exceptionally athletic - just guys who had good skills, great basket ball minds and were willing to play team ball. (Fans that love only high flying above the rim basketball would have hated this team.) It was a high scoring era but the Knicks were a relatively low scoring team. The knick averaged 105 ppg in 72-73 while teams like the lakers and celtic averaged about 112.

Really? I thought I remembered them running if the opportunity was there. Clyde was real deft on the break. Very efficient, very smart. Definitely not a run all the time team but certainly was a significant part of their offense. Am i dreaming? Am I, like Fred Sanford, having the big one?
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7/25/2005  11:11 PM
There are at least three of us who remember the smartest team ever put together. Every team runs when the opportunity is there but the knx of the late 60's and 70s made their mark in the half court passing to the open man and if there was no open man Frasier took over. I will never forget the Reed quote" the ball belongs to Clyde, he let's us play with it sometimes"
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7/25/2005  11:42 PM
The Ewing, Mason, Oakley, Starks team might not have ran too much but they made up for it by super long football passes from one end of the court to the other. I think everyone on that team knew how to throw these passes accurately, Oakley especially.

Do you guys remember those passes? It seemed like they had a few every game and I'm talking LOOOOOOONG passes. I don't see that as often these days.
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7/26/2005  8:14 AM
Actually look no further than the 99 finals team. We started as a halfcourt team with Ewing/KT/LJ/Houston/Ward but our 2nd unit was a great running uptempo team with Spree/Childs/Camby. Childs pushed the ball well and we all know how Spree and Camby did in transition.
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7/26/2005  10:38 AM
I remember that season perfectly well, and how Childs did great in Indiana b/c the Knicks needed to push the ball, but Ward sucked, however, Ward was real good against the Spurs while Childs sucked, b/c of the style of the offense. But against Miami and Indiana, all of LJ, Spree, Camby Houston and Childs were extremely successful in the running game. Either way, it was a fun playoff to watch, halfcourt and running.
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7/26/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Pitino had the best running Knicks team with Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins and Ewing. They won 50 games I think a couple of times. Didn't do much in the playoffs except sweep a so-so Sixer team as I recall. A poor man's Phoenix Suns from this year. Built for the regular season and not the playoffs.

That team was fun to watch, didn't we also have Johnny Newman at that time too?
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