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bobs3304
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7/24/2005  5:20 PM
CrAWFORD, sWEETNEY

FOR

SNOW, GOODEN, FUT. DRaft pick


move mARBURY TO SG...



sNOW IS THE VETERan, defensive-minded PG thAT bROWN LOVES. and gooden is AN UPGRade over ANY PF THat we currently hAVE.

FOR CLEVELand, crAWFORD GIVES THEM a combo guARD TO MIX and mATCH WITH HUGHES. SWEETNEY COMES OFF THE BENCH FOR MarshALL...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/24/2005 17:21:42]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  5:38 PM
bobs3304, what's with the crazy capital letters? Please make your posts more readable.
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7/24/2005  5:47 PM
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DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  6:11 PM
I like Gooden. Despite him being known as a defensive liability i think his numbers say he's a very effective player. He can score and rebound. Those are things we are in need of. I don't know if i would trade Crawford for him but i would definitely entertain offers for him.
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7/24/2005  7:15 PM
i THINK IT'S WORTH IT.

IT GIVES US an upgrADE at pf, AND allows us to move mARBURY TO SG EVERY ONCE and AWHILE, exACTLY WHat brown did with iverson. in fACT, SNOW MIGHT EVEN GET THE NOD TO STart AT POINT, B/C Larry loves defensive minded pg's. he's ALSO CLOSE TO 6-3, SO WHERE WE GIVE UP IN HEIGHT at the 2, we gAIN at the 1.


i like crAWFORD'S gAME, BUT I THINK WHEN YOUR a plAYOFF BOUND TEam, A PLayer like him just won't crACK THE STarting rotATION. I THINK HE'S DOOMED TO COME OFF THE BENCH FOR US FOR around 20 MPG for the next few yeARS. ONLY PROBLEM WITH THat is thAT HE deserves more. he's AN EXCELLENT Talent thAT'S STILL LEarning how to plAY. HE COULD Easily give A TEam like the CAVS 20, 5, and 5.

with NaTE ON BoARD, I REally see no rEason why CrAWFORD IS UNTOUCHable to some of you. Besides, who the hell is gonnA STart for us AT pf -- sWEETNEY? i'M JUST NOT COMFORTable with thAT...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  7:29 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

i THINK IT'S WORTH IT.

IT GIVES US an upgrADE at pf, AND allows us to move mARBURY TO SG EVERY ONCE and AWHILE, exACTLY WHat brown did with iverson. in fACT, SNOW MIGHT EVEN GET THE NOD TO STart AT POINT, B/C Larry loves defensive minded pg's. he's ALSO CLOSE TO 6-3, SO WHERE WE GIVE UP IN HEIGHT at the 2, we gAIN at the 1.


i like crAWFORD'S gAME, BUT I THINK WHEN YOUR a plAYOFF BOUND TEam, A PLayer like him just won't crACK THE STarting rotATION. I THINK HE'S DOOMED TO COME OFF THE BENCH FOR US FOR around 20 MPG for the next few yeARS. ONLY PROBLEM WITH THat is thAT HE deserves more. he's AN EXCELLENT Talent thAT'S STILL LEarning how to plAY. HE COULD Easily give A TEam like the CAVS 20, 5, and 5.

with NaTE ON BoARD, I REally see no rEason why CrAWFORD IS UNTOUCHable to some of you. Besides, who the hell is gonnA STart for us AT pf -- sWEETNEY? i'M JUST NOT COMFORTable with thAT...
I agree we need an upgrade at PF, but Crawford is just as capable of averaging 20, 5, and 5 here as he is in cleveland. Also, i don't know if they would want him because he and Hughes are kind of redundant. With that being said, i agree that based on the make up of our team, Crawford is expandable, particularly for a PF, i just don't know if Gooden is the one.
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7/24/2005  7:39 PM
cRawford is def. not cAPable of AVERaging thaT WHILE HERE IN NY. THERE'S ONLY SO Many minutes going AROUND. WITH THE ROTation AS IT IS NOW, I SEE HIM GETTING around 20 MPG.

CLEVELand might be interested in him simply b/c he's A COMBO GUard thAT Can pASS. HUGHES and him would be double the trouble, AND WOULD HELP SPark their offense. they could EVEN bring him off the bench, where he would hAVE THE LUXURY OF 30+ mpg B/C OF HOW FEW PLayers they currently hAVE.

PLUS, I DON'T SEE THEM Wanting to hold onto snow. he doesn't fit in their longterm OR SHORTERM PLans. AND OBVIOUSLY, GOODEN appeARS TO BE ON HIS Way out sooner rATHER THAn lATER.


THERE are other options out there, but are there ANY BETTER THan gooden? right now, AND MORE LIKELY THan not lATER ON, GUYS LIKE BRand AND Garnett won't be AVAilABLE. IT'S POSSIBLY TO WIN MORE Games AND NOT Have A SUPERSTar big mAN. IT all depends on who's ATTainABLE and when. but one thing i'm sure of is thAT OUR FRONTCOURT IS NOT plAYOFF Caliber...not yet ATLEast.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  9:23 PM
Why Cleveland???? Crawfford could comeback and hunt us later. If we are going to trade one of our youths, it has to be with a Western team...
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7/24/2005  9:25 PM
The best player in that deal is Crawford. He's going to have a break-out year this season. I don't do it.

Sweetney's trade value is at all time low. I don't do it.

buy low, sell high.
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7/24/2005  9:47 PM
CrAWFORD OFFERS NOTHING IN THE Way of defense. how mANY 1-ON-1 GUards do we need ANYWay?


clevelAND'S IN a different divison. i wouldn't necessARILY Say crAWFORD IS HEad AND SHOULDERS above gooden by ANY MEans. AS Far AS I'M CONCERNED, THEY'RE MORE OR LESS EQUal, especiALLY WHEN YOU LOOK at the rATIO OF THEIR production to their sALary.


I understAND THAt it's ALWays best to buy low AND SELL HIGH, BUT DO WE REally Have the luxury of wAITING AROUND WHEN Larry will only be AROUND FOR a few yeARS? we need to mAKE THE MOST OF every month he's here, EVEN IF IT MEans being forcing the issue A BIT...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  9:54 PM
I think Q is gonna be the one to have a breakout year.

I like Craw....he is an exciting player but he has alot of mturing to do on the basketball court. It would be nice to keep him for insurance but if Craw could get the Knicks an upgrade to the 3 or 4 spot then you do it right away.

The Knicks could sign or trade for another player if they need the depth. Rueban Douglas from summer league?.....how about Flip Murray? It's easier to find a back-up 2 than a starter at the 3-4.
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7/24/2005  10:05 PM
The Knicks have absolutely no use for Drew Gooden.

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7/24/2005  10:08 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

The Knicks have absolutely no use for Drew Gooden.


cARE TO EXPLain why? cAZ OTHERWISE I'M assuming YOU MeAN WE Have no use for 15 AND 10....
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  10:18 PM
Ok,

Gooden plays pf but the Knicks have a ton of power forwards. Also, Gooden is a liability on defense. Sweetney is a 15 and 10 player too. You do know that right

The Knicks need a defensive player at the pf more than they need 15 and 10. And that's not even saying that Gooden would actually average 15 and 10 on the Knicks, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt when I say that

The Cavaliers need a pf and they are willing to get rid of Gooden and his 15 and 10. That should tell you something. From the games where I have watched the Cavaliers, I've always noticed how Lebron use to give Gooden these "what the f is wrong with you" look.

I'm just saying, why trade for a player that is too small to guard a pf and too slow to guard a sf.

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7/24/2005  10:34 PM
I hate to say it, but Gooden is better than Sweetney. Not only better, but bigger, more athletic, and more durable. He has much more potential. I hope Sweetney pans out, but i just don't know how well he fits what we are trying to accomplish in new york.
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7/24/2005  10:37 PM
Gooden is much better than Sweetney, but it's not worth trading Crawford to get him IMO. For example, the (false) rumor that Gooden had just been traded for Marko Jaric + Chris Wilcox shows how much he is worth around the league to others. We are also taking back snow's bad contract. I'm not sure when it ends but I don't think it's next year...
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7/24/2005  10:57 PM
HERE'S MY FINal opinion.


gooden is A NOTICEable upgrADE OVER Anything we hAVE. HE'S CERTainly not AS MUCH a defensive liABILITY as sweetney is, thAT'S FOR SURE.

problem is, he loses focus sometimes - similAR TO KWame. but the guy is ATHLETIC, 6-10, and tALENTED - SOMETHING Rare in todAY'S NBa. he would be the 2nd biggest plAYER ON OUR TEam.

thAT Said, there ARE BETTER OPTIONS. BRand, for one, would be difficult to trADE FOR, BUT HE WOULD GIVE US JUST WHat we need.

the reASON I DON'T MIND GOODEN at ALL IS B/C HE'S Making below mle money. he's worth more thAN THat...

WHat you sAW IN CRAwford lAST YEAr ...... is ABOUT as much AS YOU'RE GONNa see from him. he wAS GIVEN PLENTY OF MINUTES, and with thAT pT, HE WOULD GIVE YOU 20 and 5. he's not getting THat type of COURT TIME next seASON. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

snow is the type of PG LARRY LOVES, and AS I RECall, he depended on him quite A BIT DURING THE Laker/sixers finALS Back in 01...

bottom line - snow, gooden, AND a fut. pick for sweets AND CRawford is A GOOD, Fair deAL. IT COULD BE SLIGHTLY UNFair depending on how you look AT IT and which teAM'S PERSPECTIVE YOU'RE COMING FROM. PERSONally, i'd pull the trigger, but i AGREE - IF WE WERE MORE Patient, AN OPPORTUNITY MIGHT PRESENT ITSELF TO Land A BETTER PLayer. only question is -- do we hAVE THat kind of time?

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/24/2005 22:59:33]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  11:05 PM
The Cavs wouldn't use their cap space for the next six years on Crawford even if they didn't have Hughes. But now that they have him, it makes even less sense for them to want Crawford.
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7/24/2005  11:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Cavs wouldn't use their cap space for the next six years on Crawford even if they didn't have Hughes. But now that they have him, it makes even less sense for them to want Crawford.

Do me A Favor then. go over to reALGM and POST a thrEad on the clevelAND BOard ASKING THEM IF THEY WOULD Take thAT DEal. snow, gooden, AND A FUTURE PICK FOR CRawford AND SWEETNEY.

I'D ask myself but i'm bANNED FROM REalgm. (those guys hAVE an itchy trigger finger).
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/24/2005  11:11 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Cavs wouldn't use their cap space for the next six years on Crawford even if they didn't have Hughes. But now that they have him, it makes even less sense for them to want Crawford.

Do me A Favor then. go over to reALGM and POST a thrEad on the clevelAND BOard ASKING THEM IF THEY WOULD Take thAT DEal. snow, gooden, AND A FUTURE PICK FOR CRawford AND SWEETNEY.

I'D ask myself but i'm bANNED FROM REalgm. (those guys hAVE an itchy trigger finger).
I doubt they'd do the deal even without the draft pick involved but I'm not interested in what Cavs fans on realgm think about Crawford anyway
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