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BRIGGS
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7/23/2005  9:23 AM
well i guess the clips gave up on wilcox, sorry but thats a steal for LA. i wouldnt like it if im gooden with brand in front of me
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7/23/2005  9:27 AM
really? does this mean the Cavs aren't getting Sasha Jaravicus(sp?)?

I guess it makes sense for the Cavs, but if I were them, I really would've tried to get Wilcox thrown in. The Clippers have to be thinking about moving Wilcox now ... or Brand. (and now, like five Tim Thomas for Elton Brand trade "ideas" by all the new guys).

Anyway, I think the Cavs could've gotten more for Gooden. Eh.
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7/23/2005  9:29 AM
oh, Sasha Jasikevius(sp?) looks like he's going to Utah. GREAT move for Utah. He's perfect for them. If AK47 stays healthy, they may finally make that playoff run.
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7/23/2005  9:50 AM
According to the report from this Cleveland tv station - Wilcox may actually be included. IF the Cavs get Wilcox, I'm going to change me tune - Wilcox is a better fit for the Cavs than Gooden, getting Jaric is gravy, especially since it looks like they lost out on Sasha to Utah.


http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36758/20050723/cleveland_tv_station_gooden_swapped_for_jaric/

19 Action News In Cleveland, Ohio - Cavaliers forward Drew Gooden has been rumored to be on the block and yet again it appears he has been traded.

19 Actions News in Cleveland, Ohio reported on it's newscast last night that Gooden would be traded to the Los Angeles Clippers with guard Marko Jaric being signed and traded to Cleveland along with prehaps forward Chris Wilcox being included in the deal.

If Gooden is indeed traded, the Clippers would behis 4th team in as many seasons.
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7/23/2005  9:51 AM
Jaric is pretty good, but he mises a lot of games almost every year. i dont think you give up a 23 year old big who averaged 15+10 for a pretty good combo guard that is injury prone.
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7/23/2005  9:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

well i guess the clips gave up on wilcox, sorry but thats a steal for LA. i wouldnt like it if im gooden with brand in front of me
Briggs, i've never said anything to you about this, but you MUST post links from now on. I dont see anything about this S&T anywhere on espn.com or realgm.com. at least state your source(s) (if any). it's kind of annoying not being able to verify this info, as insignificant it is in the whole scheme of things.

I know you are "BRIGGS" but please post links man. Thank you.
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7/23/2005  9:57 AM
But Wilcox has shown flashes where he's put up 20 and 10 when he gets PT. He's inconsistant, but he's tougher and a bigger body than Gooden. Gooden is a bit like KVH to me. He puts up numbers, but you always wince when you watch him. Wilcox is a tough SOB who Lebron will love. I'm guessing this trade is more about Wilcox than Jaric for the Cavs. Jaric is a smart player who plays to his team's strengths, not a great player, but I would probably take Wilcox over Gooden.

For the Clips, this makes no sense. They wanted a SG BAD, so they get Mobley - one of the lesser SGs on the market, then trade for a starting PF to backup Brand and Kaman. It doesn't make sense to me, especially because Gooden sulks on the bench.
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7/23/2005  10:00 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BRIGGS:

well i guess the clips gave up on wilcox, sorry but thats a steal for LA. i wouldnt like it if im gooden with brand in front of me
Briggs, i've never said anything to you about this, but you MUST post links from now on. I dont see anything about this S&T anywhere on espn.com or realgm.com. at least state your source(s) (if any). it's kind of annoying not being able to verify this info, as insignificant it is in the whole scheme of things.

I know you are "BRIGGS" but please post links man. Thank you.

dude, I posted the link from realgm. Get over yourself.
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7/23/2005  10:01 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BRIGGS:

well i guess the clips gave up on wilcox, sorry but thats a steal for LA. i wouldnt like it if im gooden with brand in front of me
Briggs, i've never said anything to you about this, but you MUST post links from now on. I dont see anything about this S&T anywhere on espn.com or realgm.com. at least state your source(s) (if any). it's kind of annoying not being able to verify this info, as insignificant it is in the whole scheme of things.

I know you are "BRIGGS" but please post links man. Thank you.

dude, I posted the link from realgm. Get over yourself.
look man, i appreciate it. it wasnt posted originally when I came to this thread. i think it's important to post links - I always do.
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7/23/2005  10:03 AM
you know, the internet contains a vast sea of information. try going fishing sometime.
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7/23/2005  10:05 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

you know, the internet contains a vast sea of information. try going fishing sometime.
I looked around and didnt see it. Why can't someone post a link if there is one? I think that is a fair thing to request. Other people have requested the same thing numerous times - that much is fact.
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7/23/2005  10:08 AM
You cant always post a link. Im not listening to radio clev im giving you espn. while espn can be quick to jump the gun--ala rahim to the nets--they are probably way MORE accurate than a link.
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7/23/2005  10:10 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by crzymdups:

you know, the internet contains a vast sea of information. try going fishing sometime.
I looked around and didnt see it. Why can't someone post a link if there is one? I think that is a fair thing to request. Other people have requested the same thing numerous times - that much is fact.

yes, the ESPN reports SAR to Nets thing went on for like 8 pages because people were incensed that there was no link. And you know what, that report probably jumped the gun, but guess where SAR ended up? sometimes you just hear something from a friend or the radio. this is a board for discussion, as long as it's intelligent and well-founded, I'm fine with no link.
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7/23/2005  10:21 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by crzymdups:

you know, the internet contains a vast sea of information. try going fishing sometime.
I looked around and didnt see it. Why can't someone post a link if there is one? I think that is a fair thing to request. Other people have requested the same thing numerous times - that much is fact.

yes, the ESPN reports SAR to Nets thing went on for like 8 pages because people were incensed that there was no link. And you know what, that report probably jumped the gun, but guess where SAR ended up? sometimes you just hear something from a friend or the radio. this is a board for discussion, as long as it's intelligent and well-founded, I'm fine with no link.
cool man. but if there is a link, it'd be nice to post it.
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7/23/2005  11:20 AM
clips can use Gooden for a year and not extend him. THey would control him thru restriction. Smart, they would lose Jaric for nothing.

Gooden and Wilcox are good athletes, but can't get thier crap together. They have yet to take it to next level. Immature and lacking solid fundamentals on the court.

Speaking of upside, I wonder how Sweets is working in the offseason?

Isiah trades KT and he must have sombody in mind to step up!

We might think the grass is always greener, but Sweets may be it!
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7/23/2005  11:21 AM
If Wilcox isn't included in the deal.....do you guys think BRand might be on the block lATER On in the seASON?


I meAN, how mAny minutes would Gooden get behind BrAnd? MAybe 20 minutes tops...
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7/23/2005  11:26 AM
the Magic foolishlessly used Gooden at the 3. could be the Clips plan. no way they trade Brand. this move says they're happy with Livingston and like Gooden better than Wilcox. Personally, I like Wilcox better, but Gooden may be the more consistant guy.
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7/23/2005  11:29 AM
Gooden may not have any ikmpact on whether Brand stays in the Clipps or not. But, as this trade indicates, anything can happen with the Clipps. It may have been a smart move if they just let Gooden go, or as every other team juts trade him ant let him make the record of playing for every single team in a whole career. Still, if they throw in Wilcox just for the sake of it... I don't know.. I know after his gun incident his value may have been low, but I still thought they could get something for him. Maybe a pick is going their way...
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7/23/2005  11:30 AM
Posted by Nalod:

clips can use Gooden for a year and not extend him. THey would control him thru restriction. Smart, they would lose Jaric for nothing.

Gooden and Wilcox are good athletes, but can't get thier crap together. They have yet to take it to next level. Immature and lacking solid fundamentals on the court.

Speaking of upside, I wonder how Sweets is working in the offseason?

Isiah trades KT and he must have sombody in mind to step up!

We might think the grass is always greener, but Sweets may be it!

Im not doing that deal unless lebron threatens me:>)

jaric is inury prone--if gooden is perceived as immature--what is wilcox? i dont believe in giving up on 15+10 50% bigs that are 22-23 6+10 245
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7/23/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

clips can use Gooden for a year and not extend him. THey would control him thru restriction. Smart, they would lose Jaric for nothing.

Gooden and Wilcox are good athletes, but can't get thier crap together. They have yet to take it to next level. Immature and lacking solid fundamentals on the court.

Speaking of upside, I wonder how Sweets is working in the offseason?

Isiah trades KT and he must have sombody in mind to step up!

We might think the grass is always greener, but Sweets may be it!

Im not doing that deal unless lebron threatens me:>)

jaric is inury prone--if gooden is perceived as immature--what is wilcox? i dont believe in giving up on 15+10 50% bigs that are 22-23 6+10 245

I agree with this, but I guess the Cavaliers feel that they don't have so much to lose. They had no picks, but have made some great signings. Their team looks solid, they just needed some pieces. Maybe they feel Jaric is part of that equation. I feel they could've gotten at least a better player...
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