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kip3f
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7/21/2005  1:27 PM
Everybody is going on and on about LB and starbury, but what about LB and crawford? Perhaps LB can get JC to improve his game.
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7/21/2005  1:45 PM
Great po9int!

If anyone needs a swift kick in the arse its gonna be Crawful!

Marbs can me moved to the 2, but if you have Jamal spazzing and chucking up the rock, then he can crossover and have a seat!
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7/21/2005  1:49 PM
Craw doesn't have the resume to be uncoachable, and I don't think he has an out of control ego either.
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7/21/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by Rich:

Craw doesn't have the resume to be uncoachable, and I don't think he has an out of control ego either.
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7/21/2005  2:00 PM
the thing wit crawford dats good is dat he wants to learn, hesaid he wants to be a better all around player...and he demonstrated dat durin da last month of this past season
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7/21/2005  2:05 PM
If Larry can deal with Rasheed he won't have problems with any of the Knicks players.
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7/21/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by Knight:

If Larry can deal with Rasheed he won't have problems with any of the Knicks players.

I don't think he'll have problems with any of the Knicks if he comes but he was able to deal with sheed because of the UNC ties. The same way Dean Smith was able to keep him in check, Sheed had a tremendous amount of respect for LB before he got to Detroit.

The real question is IF Larry coaches the Knicks AND sheed clashes with Flip and reverts back to his old ways could we put together a package that brings Sheed to NY. Would Sweets, TT, an unprotected first get it done? Who knows but it'll be an interesting situation to keep an eye on.
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7/21/2005  2:16 PM
Remember those MSG segments last year highlighting each player? ANyone remember Craw's? He was very impressive in his attitude to the game, wanting to learn, etc. He came across as humble and open to wanting to grow his game a lot - NOT how he often came across on the court. I think LB could do wonders for him.
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7/21/2005  2:37 PM
Posted by Marv:

Remember those MSG segments last year highlighting each player? ANyone remember Craw's? He was very impressive in his attitude to the game, wanting to learn, etc. He came across as humble and open to wanting to grow his game a lot - NOT how he often came across on the court. I think LB could do wonders for him.

This is the thing that really gets me excited about Larry Brown coaching. This is why I think he's worth every cent of that 50 to 60 million even if he only coaches 3 years. Look what he did with AI, Snow, Prince, Billups, RIP, Sheed. Not only did we add three solid first rounders but we'll improve so much within if we add LB. This guy will teach Craw to play defense and I really think the right coach can turn him into an allstar. LB can teach him to play defense like RIP does, will improve his shot selection, and allow him to reach his potential.

Marbury will become a much better player under LB -- look at the olympics if you don't think they can coexist -- Marbury really looks up to him and will listen to everything he has to say. I bet Larry is the only coach in the league that can get Marbury to play 30 mins a game and put as much effort into defense as he does on offense.

Larry will help Ariza tremendously as well as Sweetney. He'll be able to keep Q in the post and not chuck up so many 3's.

Also one more point on the money. Regardless if its too much or not, this is how the Knicks should be utilizing their deep pockets -- pay for coaching, buy draft picks. We should not be overpaying for players because you need to be conservative with the cap in order to make future moves - flexibility is needed in both singing free agents but also making trades.
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7/21/2005  2:51 PM
Larry is who I want the Knicks to overpay for. I don't even care, they can pay 29 millions a year, it would be fine with me. Here is something that Zeke may consider, Larry won the big dance with at least one Carolina player in the starting lineup,,,,Zeke has to find a way to do a trade for a Carolina player...I personally would love to have Carter
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7/21/2005  2:52 PM
i think crawford improved ALOT throughout the course of the season. he was stuck b/c we had no type of style of play. most of the time, we saw him just lingering around at the 3 point line waiting for marbury to penetrate and kick. after he recovered from his injury (the turning point of the season), we saw him attack more, tone down the 3's, and distribute. this kid is still learning. this is technically his 8th year of bball (2 HS, 1 NCAA, 4 PRO) in his life. he has ALL the tools and has shown UNSTOPPABLE potential MANY times. this kid could be really special. the thing is, he needs the ball in his hands to really optimize his contributions.

marbury gets his assists b/c of his scoring talent where defenders must double him, leaving others open. crawford is a different type of assisst-er. it's tough to describe but he gets assists more like jkidd than marbury - more like within the flow of the game.

i can EASILY see him try to mold craw into a rip hamilton type and work off the screens.
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7/21/2005  2:53 PM
Chad Fraud keeps insisting that Marbury will be moved if and when larry brown takes over as head coach...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  2:53 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Larry is who I want the Knicks to overpay for. I don't even care, they can pay 29 millions a year, it would be fine with me. Here is something that Zeke may consider, Larry won the big dance with at least one Carolina player in the starting lineup,,,,Zeke has to find a way to do a trade for a Carolina player...I personally would love to have Carter

Save some money and have Larry be player-coach.
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7/21/2005  2:57 PM
There is no other way around this, Crawfford is an undisciplined and low IQ type of player and it showed last year. It was evident when he said that " I am confused out there, I don't know when to shoot or when to pass the ball". That is a comment that he made when Herb was on him for taking too many 3s. Larry doesn't allow that type of basketball. He preaches good fundamentals and wants his players to make good decisions with the ball. He wants great movement with or without the ball, and he wants players to take great percentage shots on offense. Too often last season, Crawf over dribbled and took bad shots with more than 11 seconds left on the shot clock. On defense, we all know how Larry does...

Posted by djsunyc:

i think crawford improved ALOT throughout the course of the season. he was stuck b/c we had no type of style of play. most of the time, we saw him just lingering around at the 3 point line waiting for marbury to penetrate and kick. after he recovered from his injury (the turning point of the season), we saw him attack more, tone down the 3's, and distribute. this kid is still learning. this is technically his 8th year of bball (2 HS, 1 NCAA, 4 PRO) in his life. he has ALL the tools and has shown UNSTOPPABLE potential MANY times. this kid could be really special. the thing is, he needs the ball in his hands to really optimize his contributions.

marbury gets his assists b/c of his scoring talent where defenders must double him, leaving others open. crawford is a different type of assisst-er. it's tough to describe but he gets assists more like jkidd than marbury - more like within the flow of the game.

i can EASILY see him try to mold craw into a rip hamilton type and work off the screens.
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7/21/2005  2:59 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Chad Fraud keeps insisting that Marbury will be moved if and when larry brown takes over as head coach...

conspiracy theories are running wild.

i will say this, this is marbury's last shot. if LB's brown in tow, isiah can now go back on his "we don't roll like that" comment about marbury and move him. i think marbury has AT LEAST one more year here. but come next summer, everthing's game.
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7/21/2005  3:00 PM
Zeke is in Long Island talking with Brown...just reported on ESPN radio

conspiracy theories are running wild.

i will say this, this is marbury's last shot. if LB's brown in tow, isiah can now go back on his "we don't roll like that" comment about marbury and move him. i think marbury has AT LEAST one more year here. but come next summer, everthing's game.
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7/21/2005  3:01 PM
I agree. I think you gotta keep Marbury. I think you gotta go with a Timmy/Sweetney/Draft Pick package and try and get Shawn Marion or Elton Brand if and when one of those 2 falls out of favor b/c of cap reasons.

I actually think JJ is gonna resign with Pheonix for close to the max, and Marion might very well be on the block before the trading deadline. Timmy, Sweetney, and an uprotected 1st would def. reel him in...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by diderotn:

There is no other way around this, Crawfford is an undisciplined and low IQ type of player and it showed last year. It was evident when he said that " I am confused out there, I don't know when to shoot or when to pass the ball". That is a comment that he made when Herb was on him for taking too many 3s. Larry doesn't allow that type of basketball. He preaches good fundamentals and wants his players to make good decisions with the ball. He wants great movement with or without the ball, and he wants players to take great percentage shots on offense. Too often last season, Crawf over dribbled and took bad shots with more than 11 seconds left on the shot clock. On defense, we all know how Larry does...

Posted by djsunyc:

i think crawford improved ALOT throughout the course of the season. he was stuck b/c we had no type of style of play. most of the time, we saw him just lingering around at the 3 point line waiting for marbury to penetrate and kick. after he recovered from his injury (the turning point of the season), we saw him attack more, tone down the 3's, and distribute. this kid is still learning. this is technically his 8th year of bball (2 HS, 1 NCAA, 4 PRO) in his life. he has ALL the tools and has shown UNSTOPPABLE potential MANY times. this kid could be really special. the thing is, he needs the ball in his hands to really optimize his contributions.

marbury gets his assists b/c of his scoring talent where defenders must double him, leaving others open. crawford is a different type of assisst-er. it's tough to describe but he gets assists more like jkidd than marbury - more like within the flow of the game.

i can EASILY see him try to mold craw into a rip hamilton type and work off the screens.

craw has a long way to go to be a really really consistent and solid player BUT i attribute alot of that to not knowing his role here. i think he needs structure and role definition for him to thrive and that's what he'll have under LB.

he may have that under herb as well if herb comes back and puts a system in place. on the fly coaching, especially with a change midway - AND his 4th coach in the league, doesn't works with him. he needs structure from the get-go and a CLEAR definition of his role.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/21/2005 15:03:03]
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7/21/2005  3:07 PM
dj! CRaw has been lost as a player since his arrival in the league...He had the same problem playing in Chicago. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a talented kid, but unlike a smart player, he just can't play in a good system. For Crawf to be effective, he can't play in a system oriented team. He is like a wild stalion. I am sorry, It is very hard for a guy who is from the street to adjust to civilization. I know that most love him because of the crazy dunks that he has made a couple of times, but how many games have we won????? How many bad shots did he take??
craw has a long way to go to be a really really consistent and solid player BUT i attribute alot of that to not knowing his role here. i think he needs structure and role definition for him to thrive and that's what he'll have under LB.

he may have that under herb as well if herb comes back and puts a system in place. on the fly coaching, especially with a change midway - AND his 4th coach in the league, doesn't works with him. he needs structure from the get-go and a CLEAR definition of his role.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/21/2005 15:03:03]
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7/21/2005  3:16 PM
Posted by diderotn:

dj! CRaw has been lost as a player since his arrival in the league...He had the same problem playing in Chicago. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a talented kid, but unlike a smart player, he just can't play in a good system. For Crawf to be effective, he can't play in a system oriented team. He is like a wild stalion. I am sorry, It is very hard for a guy who is from the street to adjust to civilization. I know that most love him because of the crazy dunks that he has made a couple of times, but how many games have we won????? How many bad shots did he take??

i guess you gave up on him already. i looked at his signing as a $56 mil lottery pick that needed to get developed. i'm willing to wait another 2 years on him.

from the street? i saw him put some "gray poupon" on his kenny rogers chicken wings.
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