Posted by simrud:

If he gets Brown then I'll forgive him for the rest of the crap.

I can't let the "we are in position to be under the cap in two years" go though. We were gonna be in that same position regardless. Its just that 2 years ago, it was 4 years fron then, and now its 2 years from now. I'm not ready go give IT credit for makin 2 years go by in an incredible fast 365X2 days lol.

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I have been giving Isiah Thomas his due.

Most of those who don't are usually LayDown holdovers who have nothing better to do than hate on Isiah for the hell of it. He's been making improvments since he got here. Anyone not seeing that is a hater IMO.

Messiah Thomas will take his respect. Getting Larry Brown will only be one of the many ways it happens.

Posted by rvhoss:

He's completely turned over the roster.
We are in a position to be below or near the cap in 2 years.
He's gotten us younger and more athletic.
Had two near slam dunk drafts.

and if he is able to get Larry Brown as our coach this year.

I say it's time for everyone to give him his due.

In less than two years on the job, he has completely righted the ship and pointed us in the right direction.

I say Almost time, because Brown isn't signed yet.

Thoughts?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by rvhoss:

He's completely turned over the roster.
We are in a position to be below or near the cap in 2 years.
He's gotten us younger and more athletic.
Had two near slam dunk drafts.

and if he is able to get Larry Brown as our coach this year.

I say it's time for everyone to give him his due.

In less than two years on the job, he has completely righted the ship and pointed us in the right direction.

I say Almost time, because Brown isn't signed yet.

Thoughts?

Anyone can just trade away, buyout or waive players at the rate that Isiah has done. But does this roster look like a contender anytime soon? Absolutely not.

In a position to be below or near the cap in 2 years??? We went from an $80M payroll to well over $100M and he's taken back hundred of millions in additional money in trades. Between Marbury, Crawford, Q and JJ we're near the cap for the next 5 years. The fact that you'd include this in your post leads me to believe that the rest of it is just more Kool Aid induced fluff.

Oh yes, the Isiah Mantra. Younger and more athletic. It sure worked for the Clippers didn't it?

A role playing SF and 3 unproven draft picks doesn't make for 2 slam dunk drafts.

If Larry Brown comes it'll be because of the ridiculous money that Idiot Dolan throws at him. End of story.

We didn't make the playoffs after another pathetic and disappointing season and you think the ship is righted and we're headed in the right direction? What exactly is your definition of "the right direction"? Mine would be becoming a contender and there's no chance that we're anywhere near that.

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Hardcore always called Isiah, Messiah Thomas. He came up with that nick name the same day Isiah was signed. It looks like he was right!

Good memory, Silver! I sure did call him that from day one. I hope to God that i was right about it, too.

Nalod should recall it too, because that was right about the time when he changed his name from Nedyal to Nalod.

I like what It has done, but when I see people say we went from 80 mil to 100 mil it almost makes me sick, as if It induced the 80 mil that was already here when he arrived. The only reason we are at 100 mil is because It added young players, players that you try to sign if you are under the cap anyway. What is the fascination of being under the cap when you don't have a premier star available to sign? the fact that the knicks in 3 years could have a good young team on the floor with the 3 rookies, ariza, Q, marbs and craw, and a decent payroll is leaps and bounds better than the last 5 years we had to endure... IT's job is to put a good team on the floor, not to stay here for 5 years and keep us under or near the cap averaging 22 wins a year.... Whats even worse is that I want to play the young guys all year and watch them grow, and I would not mind parlaying our two picks, one which may be a lotto pick to try and move up and draft another impact player, and go from there, but the problem with that is all we will here is, the knicks suck, they were in the lotto again with 100 mil in payroll... that mentality is what kills me, and leads me to believe that no one is interested in rebuilding, but more interested in just complaining...

[Edited by - tkf on 07/20/2005 12:08:37]