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EnySpree
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7/19/2005  11:18 PM
Real-GM Article.....

In the past week, I have learnt nothing from newspaper articles or any insider gossip. While other teams have made aggressive moves, Boston GM Danny Ainge has stood pat, and not moved any players. The only acquisition has been the mediocre signing of Brian ‘Scrubaline’ Scalabrine.

Boston will lose Gary Payton, and Antoine Walker looks like he will be gone. So Scalabrine is here to fill the void? The future looks bleak. Many teams have improved in the East this off-season. Here is a list of teams, in no particular order, which will be better than the Celtics: Miami, Detroit, New Jersey, Indiana, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, New York, Chicago, Washington and Orlando.

Like I’ve stated many times before Boston really needs to rebuild. Some of the players that Bostonians are looking to, to be big time players in the future, haven’t convinced me yet. Marcus Banks? Turnover and foul prone, no basketball IQ. Al Jefferson? Can’t stay on the court because he is foul prone. Delonte West? Here one game gone the next. Tony Allen? See Delonte West. Kendrick Perkins? See Al Jefferson. Gerald Green? Can’t score in summer league, what’s going to happen when he has Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen in his face? Many questions that need answering.

Let’s rebuild (using the trusty RealGM trade checker):

Trade 1

Boston trades:
Paul Pierce
Marcus Banks
Raef LaFrentz
Ryan Gomes

Dallas trade:
Devin Harris
Keith Van Horn
Marquis Daniels
2006 Second Rounder

Why? Boston gets a pure point guard to address their major weakness. Van Horn is an expiring contract after the coming season, and can play a valuable veteran role with the team. Daniels is a great young player and can come in and play, meaning it doesn’t matter if Tony Allen and Delonte West play “Where’s Wally.” Dallas gets a replacement for Michael Finley, and a legit sidekick for Dirk Diggler. Marcus Banks adds depth, and softens the blow of losing Devin Harris and Darrel Armstrong (he will go to Orlando, in my opinion). Raef LaFrentz gives the Mavs some added depth at Center and Power Forward, and would be welcome back in Dallas. Ryan Gomes is a chuck in, to give Dallas some depth.

New Dallas line-up:
C- Dampier/ Podkolzine/ Ilunga-Mbenga
F- Nowitzki/ LaFrentz/ Henderson
F- Howard/ Gomes /MLE
G- Terry/ Banks
G- Pierce/ Stackhouse

Trade 2

Boston trades:
Antoine Walker (Sign and trade) (I used Raef LaFrentz’s contract for the trade)
Mark Blount

New York trades:
Anfernee Hardaway
Mike Sweetney
2006 Second Rounder

Why? Boston gets rid off Blount (who is trash) and Isiah gets his beloved Antoine. Mike Sweetney is some added help down low, and can contribute immediately. Hardaway is an expirer just like Van Horn, and the Celtics probably won’t even use him.

New York’s new line-up:
C- James/ Blount/ Frye
F- Walker/ Rose/ Taylor/ Lee
F- Ariza/ Thomas (to be traded)/ Williams
G- Marbury/ Robinson
G- Richardson/ Crawford

Nice team Isiah!

Boston will have a bad team in the short term, but will get a couple of high draft picks, this year and next year. Hopefully the 2007 pick becomes Greg Oden.

C- Perkins/ Sweetney
F- Jefferson/ Scalabrine
F- Van Horn/ Reed/ Green
G- Harris/ West
G- Daniels/ Allen/ Greene

Glaring omission: Ricky Davis. Why? To be traded, I can’t imagine he would be happy on this team, try and move him (and filler) to Denver for Nene.

An article sure to generate a lot of conversation.

So contact Ryan at: ryanwbennett@gmail.com

Makes a ton of sense.......

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7/19/2005  11:32 PM
ENYSPREE i used to make up those kinds of trade ideas and you used to hate them. lol A role reversal .
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7/19/2005  11:39 PM
Well I've calmed down with the internet rage over the years.

The little story makes sense to me. Ainge has really torn down that team. Boston has a bunch of kids.....they need to trade Pierce and Walker and just put those kids out there to make mistakes.

I'd love Walker and if something like this were to happen then Pierce would be nice too.

[Edited by - enyspree on 07/19/2005 23:39:48]
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7/19/2005  11:39 PM
despite what the idiot who wrote this article says, based on rosters at this point Boston and Jersey are the class of the Atlantic.
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7/19/2005  11:41 PM
Who would we rather have?

An overpaid Walker and Blount

OR

Fairly priced Walker and an overpaid Lafrentz


??????


Personally, I'd probably rather have the Blount deal b/c he's far more easily tradeable in the worst case scenario (as opposed to Lafrentz), and b/c it gives guys like Frye and Rose more time at Center (Lafrentz would deserve at least 20+ MPG at Center...)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/19/2005  11:43 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Who would we rather have?

An overpaid Walker and Blount

OR

Fairly priced Walker and an overpaid Lafrentz


??????

Personally, I'd probably rather have the Blount deal b/c he's far more easily tradeable in the worst case scenario (as opposed to Lafrentz), and b/c it gives guys like Frye and Rose more time at Center (Lafrentz would deserve at least 20+ MPG at Center...)

that's like asking if you want herpes or crabs.

NO THANKS to both.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/19/2005 23:43:30]
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7/19/2005  11:44 PM
Posted by McK1:

despite what the idiot who wrote this article says, based on rosters at this point Boston and Jersey are the class of the Atlantic.
I think the Knicks are ahead of Boston if they (the Celtics) lose Walker. The Celtics would have an advantage at SG but that's the only position.
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7/19/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by McK1:

despite what the idiot who wrote this article says, based on rosters at this point Boston and Jersey are the class of the Atlantic.

New Jersey has done more than reload.....they straight up dropped the hand guns all together and is about to go Commando on the East this year.

Boston has some good kids but mixing them with Pierce and Walker makes no sense because Ainge may have stockpiles too much youth. There is no real balance.

If the Knicks could get Walker......whew.....it is gonna be a nice little season for us Nets and Knicks games are gonna be some epic clashes!
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7/19/2005  11:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

despite what the idiot who wrote this article says, based on rosters at this point Boston and Jersey are the class of the Atlantic.
I think the Knicks are ahead of Boston if they (the Celtics) lose Walker. The Celtics would have an advantage at SG but that's the only position.

Not even because Q is a baller. Q has some real talent and might show us the stuff he used to do in LA.

Walker in NY before some team like Chicago picks him up.
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7/19/2005  11:57 PM
the writer clearly dismsisses players developing from with-in. The sky is the limit for Al Jefferson. He and Perk will be formidable duo. Only thing that may hold these 2 back is Docs coaching.

right now the Knicks have no advantage at any position except point. Although when being defended by Starbury there were times I coulda swore Banks was the 2 time all-star.

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7/19/2005  11:57 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

that's like asking if you want herpes or crabs.

NO THANKS to both.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/19/2005 23:43:30]

Brown is our head coach for next season. Do you really expect this team to stay as it is? Larry will def. expect a better lineup. Walker adds that "other" star impact, and he's a vocal leader as well, which we need sorely. Blount is just another big body, who is overpaid, but not really by NBA standards. He would atleast provide some fouls in the paint.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  12:03 AM
Not even because Q is a baller. Q has some real talent and might show us the stuff he used to do in LA.

Q never has been and never will be better than Pierce. I watched alot of Q in LA, he can score but he can't put a team on his back like Pierce can. The intangibles just aren't there.

Walker in NY before some team like Chicago picks him up.

wouldn't worry too much about that scenario unfolding.

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7/20/2005  12:47 AM
the idea of trading for walker and getting stuck with blount for 6 years has to make your skin crawl. i guess people dont unerstand basketball is won with defense rebounding and offensive effeciency

were watching guys like Frye and Lee show great skill and team play with grit and effeciency. Mike Sweetney is 22 yars old. I would really like to give these guys a chance. trading for A Walker is taking steps backwards. I just dont get it, finally after 3 years we go in a positive direction and some fans want to layden the team.

lets build off what we have, maybe we can stockpile 2-3 guys into KG or Elton Brand


after watching antoine walker sck in the playoffs 4 years straight, and lead the at hawks to 12 wins[they were better without him] knowing that if we sign him and trade for mark blount that we will have both guys slimed to our roster for 6 years?

why are all these other teams staying away from walker? maybe because hes not very good?
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7/20/2005  1:01 AM
The trade proposal was HORRIBLE. Walker is not worth those 3 assets as well as us taking back Blounts contract. Add 2 more prospects and thats very close to the same deal we did for Marbury. And its very debatable that we overpaid for Marbury.

Id rather give Sweentey another yr. He did pretty good during the last 7 games of the season. PTS-Rebs: 20-9,12-7,14-5,14-7,16-2,2-5(13mins),16-13. In his 3rd yr. 2nd yr as part of the rotation. Things might just come together for him.
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7/20/2005  1:33 AM
Walker and Blount are garbage.

I CAN NOT see Larry Brown wanting Walker on his team. I believe that Walker would be the last person on Larry's wish list.

Isiah needs to focus on adding youth & athletes who can play within a system, players who can compliment each other. I am happy with the team as is. Just give our youngsters the best coaching available (Larry) and decent playing time.
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7/20/2005  2:25 AM
Posted by McK1:
Not even because Q is a baller. Q has some real talent and might show us the stuff he used to do in LA.

Q never has been and never will be better than Pierce. I watched alot of Q in LA, he can score but he can't put a team on his back like Pierce can. The intangibles just aren't there.

Walker in NY before some team like Chicago picks him up.

wouldn't worry too much about that scenario unfolding.

what intangibles? Q has the killer instinct and like you said he can score. All he needs is the PT and a role where he can take advantantage of all this.

As far as Walker going to Chicago? Why not. The have a short roster with no real impact coming from the draft this year. If I'm not mistaken they could sign Walker straight up.....and they also have an expiring contract identical to Timmy's in Davis.

Even after they re-sign Tyson and Curry which isn't a given they still could use what Walker brings from the 4 spot. They would definatley be better than the team they put out last year.
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7/20/2005  8:06 AM
I think the guy who made that thread for Boston fails to see that they have been rebuilding for like three years now.

They just happened to get into the playoffs @ass backwards, much to Ainge's dismay prolly. Especially they year we made it. They did their best to loose out and still made it. It was histerical.

They keep adding very talented young players to their roster every year, and steadily and surely get rid of older higher paid ones. The Mark Blount signing was a mistake, but its hard to pass up on a center who puts up big numbers (JJ got money and he does not even put up numbers).

The only guy the really need to dump is Lafrentz, but having one mediorce deal on your roster is not nearly as bad as having four max deals on your hands, as we did last year for example, in TT, Penny, Marbury, and Houston.

If Boston keeps doing what they are doing and stick to the plan, plan being developing and groomin Al Jefferson, Banks, Green, West, Allen, Perkins, etc, they will be just fine. In a 2-3 years Al Jefferson and Green will be one of the best inside outside punch in the league and they'll have a bunch of exlcellent team players/defeneers with athletic ability around them in Banks, Perkins, West and Allen.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/20/2005  8:36 AM
I've watched Q since he came in the league. He was not much of a clutch player in Clipperville. And this years play-off put that in a much bigger light.

a couple years ago Pierce led the league in points scored in the 4th. You have a guy in Paul, despite the attitude is on the level of J Kidd where he can not only score but if needed go out and pull down double digit boards and rack up assists and will take and make big shots. He gets to the line more than most big men (600-700 times a season). Q can score but Pierce is a guy who has went for back to back to back 2000 pt seasons. Pierce takes advantage of every inch of the court. Q dunks/lays it up or shoots 3's.
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