Posted by Killa4luv:

I am not sold on the idea that Ike Diogu will be a force in the league. He is tough, but he is little. If we drafted an undersized PF, I would have died.

He's not little... he's got a 7'4 wingspan. He's bigger and stronger than Boozer with a longer reach. His standing reach is one inch shorter than Frye.. the guy that everyone is happy to have at center because he's NOT undersized.

Again... one move contradicts the next. Everyone that writes about sports says it. Only a handfull of genious Knick fans seem to know the wisdom here

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Killa4luv:

I am not sold on the idea that Ike Diogu will be a force in the league. He is tough, but he is little. If we drafted an undersized PF, I would have died.

He's not little... he's got a 7'4 wingspan. He's bigger and stronger than Boozer with a longer reach. His standing reach is one inch shorter than Frye.. the guy that everyone is happy to have at center because he's NOT undersized.

Again... one move contradicts the next. Everyone that writes about sports says it. Only a handfull of genious Knick fans seem to know the wisdom here

Diogu is still 6'6.5" in socks either way you slice it. His arms may be long, but his legs and/or trunk is short. Short is short. I think short guys who succeed, it's more about heart than arm length.

And while I don't particularly like the JJames signing, I would hardly say that move contradicts what was done in the draft. If he brings in Walker, fine, I agree there's no plan. But I think James fits into the plan and is someone who can split time at center with Frye or play side by side with him. Frye is big, but he isn't physical enough for some of the bigger guys.

Rather than building a team he just picked up the best available player to fill a spot regardless of cost or style of play. Next thing you know you have a $100mm talented roster of players that are good for 30 win seasons.

hah you're beginning to sound like me Fish!

Posted by bobs3304:

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1046


" Channing Frye – Frye played a smart game, staying involved around the basket and making his presence felt on the defensive end. However, he should have been able to dominate the likes of Pape Sow, Marcus Haislip, and Uros Slokar, and that just didn’t happen. Frye doesn’t seem comfortable with his back to the basket, and that’s not something I like to see out of a guy that’s supposed to be polished and ready to play. "


^ My point...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/16/2005 13:15:15]

Andrew Bogut – This performance definitely wasn’t what you’d expect from a number one pick playing his first summerleague game (7 points, 3-6 shooting, 4 rebounds, 5 fouls, 3 blocks, 3 turnovers). Bogut didn’t play poorly, but just didn’t stand out against defenders like Dwayne Jones, Nick Horvath, and Nikoloz Tskitishvili. He struggled to gain position in the post, and just didn’t get very many high percentage opportunities. Bogut’s court awareness, ability to get his shot off, and understanding of the game were evident – I fully expect him to shake off this performance and come out much stronger tomorrow. However, from this first impression, Andrew Bogut has some serious work to do in terms of strength and athleticism.


So again, what is your point?

Posted by bobs3304:

I'm not worried about Bogut. I see your point, but it doesn't change my perception of what I've seen from Frye so far. When he starts producing, I'll make an apology in full. Until then, seeing is believing...

bogut bust in his first game and yet you are not worried. Frye had a decent SL actually looked very comptent offensively, and you are waiting for him to produce? WOW..

I am willing to make this prediction.. Frye will have a better first year than Bogut, Green, and bynum....

Posted by fishmike:

whatever... when he stands up and lifts his arms above his head he's got one inch less then Frye, so I think thats BS, unless they are instituting a new rule that says you can lift your arms above your head.

This Frye vs. Diogu debate was all about results and toughness. The fact the Frye didnt assert himself in the SL vs. inferior competition is a bad start. I'm not going to micro analyze every minute he's on the floor. I hope he plays well, but this is Isiah doing the same thing Layden did.

Rather than building a team he just picked up the best available player to fill a spot regardless of cost or style of play. Next thing you know you have a $100mm talented roster of players that are good for 30 win seasons.

Height doesn't concern just your arms. It means Diogu has a short body, his shoulders are lower, he's easier to see over, it's easier to contain a guy like that. I'm sorry, but unless they have the heart of Barkley, long arms on a short guy don't mean much to me.

And I don't think the Jerome James signing is the end of the world - even if the guy does indeed start, he'll be playing backup minutes. James isn't a foundation player, he's a role player and that role is guard the other team's super big. Should we call him the Bynum Stopper?

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by Rich:


When the GM publicly states that he would pick Frye over Bogut, fans have a right to have high expectations.

[Edited by - Rich on 07/16/2005 12:32:14]

Perception is one thing. Reality is another...

Exactly, if Isiah said PRIVATELY that he would pick Frye over Bogut, then we should have high expectations; publicly is just making Frye feel right

JJ will not play over 26 minutes a game and if Frye stays out of foul trouble I don't see him playing more then 24 minutes a game.

Sweets won't play more then 26 minutes a game as well.

Let's face it none of our big men will see more then 26 minutes a game.

And that might not be a bad thing if everyone is playing their heart out for those 20 or so minutes they are in the game. That's a ****load of fouls that we can give. With these many players playing fresh and this many fouls there should be absolutely no layups or dunks ALLOWED PERIOD. We should develop a reputation for being rough in the paint and I'm crossing my fingers JJ will be nasty and then hopefully players like Sweetney will follow. That would be sweet seeing Fat boy and Fat boy Jr smothering people.

We should turn the paint into a black hole. It feels good knowing that we won't have to see K.Thomas just standing under the basket giving everyone a free dunk or layup anymore.