Worst trade idea ever. It would cement the proposition that the Knicks would NEVER win a championship for the next five years.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by OldFan:

Posted by BRIGGS:

You can say whatever you want. the fact is Antoine Walker is a career 41% FG % shooter, a porous defender, a poor FT shooter and a guy who turns the ball over a lot.

RIGHT now I would take college guys like Josh Mcroberts, Paul Millsap, Josh Boone, Sheldan Williams over Antoine at the 4 in one second. I view basketball different from you. I believe basketball is won with defense, rebounding and offensive discpline.


will see lets get walker and i bet we win 35 games.

His Assist to To average is TWICE Sweeneys or Taylors and his defense is better then either.

Old Fan---when i say stop and think, I mean just imagine putting walker into this SL. All 3 players are not great defenders, but in a team concept all can suffice with a shot blocker at C, so no one rtumps on the D end.

Now Walker is a guy that plays a lot of basketball *controlling* the ball, that is why his assit total is higher. With guys like Marbury Crawford Nate--we dont need our 4 man to control the ball, we need that position to score and rebound effeciently and play defense. This is a GUARD orientated team, Walkers style of play IMHO, is a clear chemistry breaker a disruptive force, which is why he has been moved a lot in the last 2 years. Sweetney and taylor are blue collar guys, along with malik--are they dirk no, but I feel this is a rebuilding phase for this franchise and we need time to go step by step to assess things instead of BUYINg guys like taylor and malik at the drop of a hat because they are avilable. You are going to much by irrelevant stats. Just stop and think from what you have seen in walker's play and how he will fit here.

Are you willing to give up picks Sweetney and Tim Thomas for him adn bad contract or would you rather go with what we have and look for BETTER opportunties down the road INCLUDINg the posibility that Frye COULD come into his own at the 4 position.
the concept of trying to put the -best players at every position stat wise rarely works, they usually are not team orienatated to many egos clashing.

I like using stats, but i also take other intengible factors into account, you have to.


I hope this is an irrelevant conversation and i hope walker doe not wear a knick uniform. Im not worried about our record so much, well be fine, this is a process of flushing out the old and bringing in the new, but we dont want to continually retard this process.

Briggs - this is a bit of a Rat Whole. I basically don't disagree with you on Walker. You just have a higher opinion of Sweeney and especially Mo then I do.

Posted by OldFan:



Briggs - this is a bit of a Rat Whole. I basically don't disagree with you on Walker. You just have a higher opinion of Sweeney and especially Mo then I do.

Wait a sec - doesn't Sweeney play with Nazy?

I think Walker would be a nice piece to a championship puzzle. He just seems like a player who would mix well with Marbury for some reason.

Anyone who wants Walker is nuts. How can you have THREE of your major offensive players shooting under 40%? Trading for Walker, and taking on Blount to do it is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Who are those three players? This trade idea you are using was an intentionally bad scenario made up to make a theoretical bad AW deal.

Crawford, Quentin and Antoine. Don't tell me those three wouldn't get major minutes.

Q career field goal percentage: .406
AW career field goal percentage: .415
JC Career field goal percentage: .397

Combined: .406 (Note this is averaged by three players, and not weighted by seasons.)

They would be three of our top four/five scorers and between the three of them would jack up almost 50 shots a game, hitting only 20 AT BEST.

That's about right on pecentage. I don't think they would shoot 50 shots between the three of them, but if they do, I don't care. Would you rather it be Sweetney or JYD? In this scenario, somebody will have to suffer as far as shots/playing time. I also think there might be some impending trade bait in our guard lineup.

Worst. "Idea." Ever.

Do you...Have a..."Better Idea" at all? I'm waiting...

oohah

Posted by Marv:

Personally I am so with Briggs on this one.

To me Walker is such a bad vibe player at this point in his career. He was talented enugh to become an all-time great and he forsook the Force for the Dark Side.

Pass pass pass on this one.

i'd rather pass also, this move will only stunt the development of sweets, lee, and ariza.

Posted by Bonn1997:


Walker's a 5 position player.

So's Maher's new girlfriend.

Walker shmoker, he is the last thing we need.

The guy is fing awful. Anybody can put up his numbers takin 20 shots a game! He is a pure ballhug.

I know many a knick that will have a heartattack if Walker is on the team.

Just say NO!

Posted by oohah:

Anyone who wants Walker is nuts. How can you have THREE of your major offensive players shooting under 40%? Trading for Walker, and taking on Blount to do it is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Who are those three players? This trade idea you are using was an intentionally bad scenario made up to make a theoretical bad AW deal.

Crawford, Quentin and Antoine. Don't tell me those three wouldn't get major minutes.

Q career field goal percentage: .406
AW career field goal percentage: .415
JC Career field goal percentage: .397

Combined: .406 (Note this is averaged by three players, and not weighted by seasons.)

They would be three of our top four/five scorers and between the three of them would jack up almost 50 shots a game, hitting only 20 AT BEST.

That's about right on pecentage. I don't think they would shoot 50 shots between the three of them, but if they do, I don't care. Would you rather it be Sweetney or JYD? In this scenario, somebody will have to suffer as far as shots/playing time. I also think there might be some impending trade bait in our guard lineup.

[quote]Worst. "Idea." Ever.

Do you...Have a..."Better Idea" at all? I'm waiting...

oohah

how about the idea of staying patient, let's see what develops with what we have. I feel pretty good about the rotation of James Frye Sweetney Taylor and one of Lee, Malik or JYD--while each can have games where they stand out, collectively my bet is they shoot 50% and rebound the ball well.. We are a guard orientated team. Let guys like Star Craw and Nate set these guys up for high % plays. I saw some good stuff out of Taylor at the end of the year as well as Sweetney. Frye and James should be good in terms of high % plays off of set ups and solid shot blockers.
We dont need the disruption of Walker NOR do we need him until he is 35-36

we made a lot of moves we have 5 new players--lets integrate what we have and see where are. EVERY year there is trade deadline opportunities and team that start off badly. Maybe we can get a Sean Marion, or maybe we just play well, and IF not, it's just a phase of the first year of rebuilding--i figured on 3 years--if it doesnt work well--we have 2-3 picks again, but i think this team will be fine. It wasnt winning a championship as is or with walker[that is for sure] so lets be patient, we already had high TO, lets see what happens.

I think that the Knicks will be an up-tempo team. I don't think they will be playing a traditional 'half-court' offense, especially if they hire hire Westphal as an assistant. That's why Sweetney is expendable, he is not an open floor kind of player (at least I haven't seen that from him). The offense will run thru the 1,2 and 3's with the 4 and 5's getting what they can.

Posted by tapseer:

I think that the Knicks will be an up-tempo team. I don't think they will be playing a traditional 'half-court' offense, especially if they hire hire Westphal as an assistant. That's why Sweetney is expendable, he is not an open floor kind of player (at least I haven't seen that from him). The offense will run thru the 1,2 and 3's with the 4 and 5's getting what they can.

What we need is a PF that CAN run, but who's really effective in doing the little things - offensive rebounds, weakside blocks, defensive intensity, mid-range jumper...

That sounds like Elton Brand to me, but it could be any number of guys depending on who's available. I honestly don't think any of our current PF's should or deserve to get 30 MPG. Frye is a ROOKIE fellas. He'll earn his with time. Rose and Taylor don't thrive in the open court. They're more suited to a half court set. JYD is a bundle of energy, but he's not the type that can keep it up for extended minutes.

I think it comes down to who's available and when. I hope Zeke doesn't rush into trading Sweetney just for anyone. I think he has the time to wait this one out. The longer he waits, the more valuable Penny's expiring contract will be...