Posted by oohah:

[quote]cut the sportswriter, around the horn stuff

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Wow, oohah, that's an impressive dissection of each of Briggs' "points." I'd give you more than 2 thumbs up if I had more than two thumbs!
Sure I'd be partly uncomfortable if we got Walker because I wouldn't know what to expect, but for his talent and past winning, I think it's worth the risk.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/15/2005 23:21:50]

2 thumbs up for what--he is wrong, he's stating his opinion, but like I said the reality is antoine is an undiscplined low % player proven by his numbers including FG% FT% TO'sand defense. He was shown to be an inferior player in the playoffs by guys like Kenyon Martin, jermaine Oneal, Ben Wallace, this is not conjecture or opinion, but fact. he says that its just conjecture that other teams will pay him, but i didnt see one tam with cap room even offer him. I did see guys like Haslem Simmons Gadzuric KWAME BROWN haggled over. I believe that Rahim and Walker are in the same boat money wise, and we have seen heard from Goodwin that it would take the Nets to offer a 6 yr 38mm$ contract to get it done in a S+T--its in the papers all of them.

we will have to ki$$ the Boston Celtics arse for this player, truly a NY no-no. No true NY team would EVER kiss an arse from Boston, especially for him. No pride and the bottom line is when we line up all thes eshtty defenders who shoot 40%, we be right back in the shtter, but this time stuck with the junk.
No wonder why no one wants to coach the knicks

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by OldFan:

Posted by BRIGGS:

so we are stuck with antoine walker a career 41% shooter from the 4 until he is 35-36 years old


so we get add him next to Q rich and J craw both have shot under 40% for the last 3 years?

give up a Sweetney a pick and maybe take back a contract--just to maybe--on your perception get a little better this year?

I say, lets stay as is. The club right now has a solid chance to make the playoffs as is. WHAT if Elton Brand became available at the trade dadline and Sweetney and pick and an ending contract could get him? well we gav it away for a shtty player already?

Are you guys old or young knick fans--when you make a move like that, it BETTER be a last pawn to make a run--not to hopefully win 44 games instead of 42.

the rationale is poor, the business is poor, the player is ineffecient and does not fit. We get to keep him for 6 years on a S+T an we lose nice young assets we can either selct more nice talent with or look to be more opportunistic with

you really want antoine walker at 7-8 mm per until he is 35? Mike Sweetney and Mo Taylor COMBINED ARE BETTER than walker point blank. Each player playing half a game can go 10-5-50%--so unless we are getting back an Elton Brand, I think we are set for noW at the 4.

I'm not a walker fan at all - but I totally disagree with comparing
Mo and Sweeney to Walker. Mo Taylor has had plenty of opportunities to play and has never been able to do anything consistently. Sweeney may one day be ok but right now his defense is terrible, he's foul prone and inconsistent. Two inconsistent guys don't make one consistent guy. Compared to them Walker's defense is great. I don't want to pay walker all that money - but he's much better then taylor and sweeney.

why not, im comparing what Seattle did with a variety of PFs. they happened to win 50+ games in the west. My example was

if Mike Sweetney plays 24 minutes and Mo Taylor plays 24 minutes, we are likely to get a combined number of 20+ and 10 rebounds shooting 50%--go look at their stats
you can say what you want, but they played effeciently they rebounded the ball they shot for a HIGh FG% and per 24 minutes their numbers are actually 24 points 13 rebounds combined shooting 52%

walker's defense? he plays defense? when?

you say sweetney played inconsistently yet he shot 53% with an avg of 8.5 pts and 5.4 reb in 19 minutes
--how can you be inconsitent with those numbers? everyone has off games, but on AVG Sweetney was a high % shooter who could score and rebound and so di Mo Taylor when he came here


On the other hand, dont you consider who INCONSITENT
A Walker is when he shoots 41% for his career at the 4? Ive searched and i couldnt come up with 1 other lets say very good PF who shot anywhere near that, not to mention his FT % and high TO's

Stop and think

Posted by Marv:

Personally I am so with Briggs on this one.

To me Walker is such a bad vibe player at this point in his career. He was talented enugh to become an all-time great and he forsook the Force for the Dark Side.

Pass pass pass on this one.

Posted by OldFan:

Posted by BRIGGS:

You can say whatever you want. the fact is Antoine Walker is a career 41% FG % shooter, a porous defender, a poor FT shooter and a guy who turns the ball over a lot.

RIGHT now I would take college guys like Josh Mcroberts, Paul Millsap, Josh Boone, Sheldan Williams over Antoine at the 4 in one second. I view basketball different from you. I believe basketball is won with defense, rebounding and offensive discpline.


will see lets get walker and i bet we win 35 games.

His Assist to To average is TWICE Sweeneys or Taylors and his defense is better then either.