Posted by simrud:

How can it be called rebuilding when several of your young veterans are being blocked by mediocre overpaid vets, who are designed to bring you in contention for the playoffs (but arent good enough to win you a championship). Rebuilding requires more than just buying the materials...you have to put them together.

All of our young players need to be coming off of the bench because they simply are not good enough to start with the exception of Sweetney and maybe Frye. Just because we can't win a championship doesn't mean Ariza, Nate and Lee should be getting 40 mpg a night. Remember what #1 on his job description is:

Build an exciting, playoff caliber team that fills the seats and sells merchandise.

Maybe you think Ariza and those guys can win it all if they're given the minutes? Maybe you think they'll fill the seats and sell all the merchandise? If you do, you are alone in that thinking. We'd be the Hawks north, and that isn't an option in the middle of Manhattan. We don't have young guys like Dwight Howard playing behind Malik Rose. Our young Guys are not stars waiting to break out. They are role players and maybe 2nd and 3rd scoring options in their prime. 40 mpg wont necassarily make them better faster.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Vin Baker was the same thing, we desperately needed a big and he was available and very cheap so its not like it made such a difference.

Mo Taylor, is a talented player who was had for expiring bums. Yeah his contract is kinda ludicrous, but I actually liked Mo Taylor, I saw the potential in him to be a good player, he can do alot on offense. But I;ll concede this move hasn't panned out so well, but it still may and he expires with H20, so it was worth a chance.

what frustrates me is that some of the moves he makes are a little bit of headscratchers and kind of delays the plan from coming to fruition a little bit. that's my only gripe with him.

I don't see any moves that have stopped the plan from coming into fruition. Once you accept that getting under the cap wasn't ever part of the plan, then I can't see anything that actually delays the plan from coming to fruition. Except...

Posted by Rich:

People don't "miss it."

The point is that the goals are incompatible.

The Knicks will NEVER when a championship under this phony plan.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by simrud:

In my opinion IT pla is to build a team that makes the playoffs but has no chance to win it all. Simply because for that rebuilding is required. So IT's plan is to be a mediorce playoff team.

I don't like it personally.

Sim, thats stupid. His plan is to build a team that has no chance of winning? His plan is to build a mediocre team?

Everything he is doing now, is consistant with us getting better in the long run and the short run.

When James starts slowing down in 4 years, he will be a backup to Frye and whatever other big we have at the time. He'll also be making 5.9 per which is a very reasonable and tradeable contract for a 7 footer off the bench.

Q, Craw, Ariza, Frye, Nate and Lee will be in or close to their primes. JYD, Rose, H20 and Mo T will all be history. Why is that plan so hard for you to see?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Rich:

People don't "miss it."

The point is that the goals are incompatible.

The Knicks will NEVER when a championship under this phony plan.

careful Rich...they'll label you a hater if you present an opposing viewpoint.

Posted by simrud:

No team in the history of the NBA has won doing business like the Knicks do. It is very simple really. If you want to be deslusional be my guest.

I don't get what they are doing that is so bad. Why do some people think that the only way to win the Naismith trophy is by drafting a roster. Shaq wasnt drafted by the Lakers and neither was Kobe. The Heat didn't draft Shaq. The Pistons only drafted Prince.

My point is, these teams all had smart GMs that made smart moves, not one of them went through a rebuilding phase that put them in the 1st spot in the lottery. I don't get what the big deal is about what the Knicks do, all these teams I mentioned are over the salary cap and so are the Knicks, yes the Knicks are more over the cap then the other teams but whats the difference, they are still over. None of these teams were under the salary cap and able to go out and sign a huge free agent to make them the championship teams that they are, they did it through key trades and making the best out of their draft picks, just like Isiah is doing.

The only recent team that has won by getting their best player in the draft is the Spurs and the only reason they got Tim Duncan is becuase David Robinson got hurt that year and they tanked, the Spurs had a pretty good team that year when DRob got hurt. Rebuilding through the draft rarely works out and I'm extremely happy with the route the Knicks are taking right now.

Posted by gunsnewing:

kobe was drafted by the Lakers and I'm not sure without Kobe they would've won 3 championships. as dominant as Shaq was

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

kobe was drafted by the Lakers and I'm not sure without Kobe they would've won 3 championships. as dominant as Shaq was

Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers, he was drafted by the Hornets and traded to the Lakers for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by gunsnewing:

kobe was drafted by the Lakers and I'm not sure without Kobe they would've won 3 championships. as dominant as Shaq was

kobe was drafted by the lakers huh? i think shaq would have won with EJ.