Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

JYD = veteran role player who fits into the style of play Isiah is looking to achieve

Jerome James, Malik Rose, Mo Taylor, Vin Baker, KT (signed to an extension) = veteran role players who do not fit into the style of play Isiah is looking to achieve

i wonder why i feel that Isiah's been inconsistent in his plan.

I assume Malik Rose was obtained just to get 2 draft picks, not because he was actually a part of the plan and Baker was a part of the Crawford deal implicitly. So you can cross those two off the list. Kt's extension allowed us to get Nate and Q. I don't think Isiah ever intended to keep Kurt for the length of his contract. I think he extended him so that he could find the right time to trade him for young and athletic players like Q and Nate. The Mo Taylor is the one move that apparently doesn't fit with the plan. I don't expect a GM to be perfect, and I think that trade was a mistake. Jerome James can at least be a nice role player at C for 20 mpg. I don't see why that doesn't fit in with Isiah's plan.

i get it now...Isiah's signing Jerome James to a 5 year deal so he can turn around & trade him in 2 years for 2 1st rounders & a veteran role player...it's all a part of the master plan!

Posted by simrud:

People who come back with an argument that rebuilding makes you loose for 5 years, wake up!

HE ALREADY LOST FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS!

If we rebuilt like any team should, we would have had only 2 years or so left of sucking at this point, instead of infinitiy!

isiah wasnt here when that started

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by simrud:

People who come back with an argument that rebuilding makes you loose for 5 years, wake up!

HE ALREADY LOST FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS!

If we rebuilt like any team should, we would have had only 2 years or so left of sucking at this point, instead of infinitiy!

isiah wasnt here when that started

exactly.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 07/14/2005 14:06:31]

Posted by djsunyc:

it's tough man.

this one good move one bad move stuff is frustrating as hell.

isiah was on top of the world on draft night. but he follows it up with another long term deal for an underachiever.

it's tough man.

If he had done nothing, now that would have been disappointing...long term deal for an underachiever? Which available player (kwame specifically, who everyone is drooling over) was not an underachiever?

Underachiever? He's worth $5...sht...TT makes 15 million, Rose 6 - 7 mill, moT 8 million.

I'd say he is worth the price we paid...i mean, how much does magglioure get paid (sorry for the spelling).

You guys are just chronic complainers...he could do no right...for everyone that says trade marbury, there is someone that says keep marbury...for everyone that says go get kwame, there is someone that says don't get kwame.

He's a center...we have a center...we should be thanking our lucky stars.

I liked the MoT trade...he's a post up player...and I mean, the strict definition of a post up player.

I'd rather have a couple of post up options on our team should be somehow make a playoff run.

No team that didn't have a post up option has won a championship in almost never...and don't say jordan, not only is he a freak of nature, but he also could post up his defender at will.

hey dj...sorry I didn't mean to say complain...I think zeke has a plan...if you look at the pistons that won when he was on that team, that team on paper is crap...an undersized foul prone center, a short guard and a bunch of role players (rodman...jeez)...the bulls as well.

Let's see how they are used before we ring in the alrm...

Underachievers can be mad einto over achievers easily.

Keep the faith fellas.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

JYD = veteran role player who fits into the style of play Isiah is looking to achieve

Jerome James, Malik Rose, Mo Taylor, Vin Baker, KT (signed to an extension) = veteran role players who do not fit into the style of play Isiah is looking to achieve

i wonder why i feel that Isiah's been inconsistent in his plan.

I assume Malik Rose was obtained just to get 2 draft picks, not because he was actually a part of the plan and Baker was a part of the Crawford deal implicitly. So you can cross those two off the list. Kt's extension allowed us to get Nate and Q. I don't think Isiah ever intended to keep Kurt for the length of his contract. I think he extended him so that he could find the right time to trade him for young and athletic players like Q and Nate. The Mo Taylor is the one move that apparently doesn't fit with the plan. I don't expect a GM to be perfect, and I think that trade was a mistake. Jerome James can at least be a nice role player at C for 20 mpg. I don't see why that doesn't fit in with Isiah's plan.

i get it now...Isiah's signing Jerome James to a 5 year deal so he can turn around & trade him in 2 years for 2 1st rounders & a veteran role player...it's all a part of the master plan!

Obviously you don't get it now, as I made clear already that that's merely one of many possibilities.

Posted by simrud:

I'm just wondering how many loosing seasons with unmet expectations will it take for people to give up on IT since his decision makin is apparantly an oflimits topic if you are a "true knickebocker" whatever the hell that means.

some people are just so quick to give up on isiah after such a short time.

James is a good role player and will be valuable at times. He will help us win some games.

He burdens our roster with another LONG contract attached to a player thats a career underacheiver and has logged 15-20 DNPs a year for various BS

He's 30

He's not a good guy

We filled a need here, but we did so in a way that may hurt us more than help us. Time will tell but this isnt a good investment.

did you just say isiah turned us into a playoff team, please! we finished under 500 and the celtics were worse than us, it was impossible not to make the playoffs

Posted by rvhoss:

I liked the MoT trade...he's a post up player...and I mean, the strict definition of a post up player.

I'd rather have a couple of post up options on our team should be somehow make a playoff run.

No team that didn't have a post up option has won a championship in almost never...and don't say jordan, not only is he a freak of nature, but he also could post up his defender at will.

rvhos you would be happy if isiah brought back manute bol

do the rose colored glasses look like this