ok ok... lets be seroius.. we are not winning a championship this year... so that being said.. dont you think as new york knicks fans we owe it to herb to let him have at least a season... even half a year if hes not cutting it let him loose... but give the guy a shot he has been with the orginization since pre-94finals... he has been apart of some of the greatest knick teams ever.. and stayed loyal, patient, classy... all that.. the guy deserves a shot.. please can we get behind the guy at least for a little while... The only person i would take over herb is Brown.. but the only reason is because at the olympics he was said to have been really hard on marbury and i think he could really push steph into becoming a superstar player next year.... but he will coach the pistons.. and herb should coach us... HOW BOUT IT GUYS.. ALL WE ARE SAAAAAAAAAAAAYING IS GIVE HERB A CHAAANCE!!!!!

question.. lets say we do get brown or someone else..is it possible to keep herb as an assistant??? i always wondered if that was possible to kinda instead of fire a coach demote him to an assistant... i think herb is perfectly fit for an assistant... and it might suit him better... but either way is till say givehim a shot

I don't know if i want any of them getting the job. Larry is a known rookie hater and herb did not give ariza any quality playing time last year.

17-27
Allowing 104 ppg
Not developing the youth when the season was over
Team quitting in several games

Herb Williams doesn't deserve a 2nd chance.

I'm all about giving Herb a few years to coach if Marbury is traded and the orginization gives in to the reality that, under Herb, a brief rebuilding period is appropriate and necessary. Herb is a player's coach, and, with Marbury gone and young talent being reeled in, that would be a perfect marriage.


Btw: He would have no choice but to play the young players in that scenario b/c the playoffs would NOT be one of their goals...


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 09:37:58]

I want a fresh face that has nothing to do with the Knicks. Herb is a oldschool guy and he was around this organization when Ewing was here. He is a ghost of the past and he is too focused on the post....He doesn't fit the current team......But if Paul Westphal is going to come in as the top assistant then it could make sense. I always liked watching his teams.

Bill Laimbeer is the fresh face with no ties to NY. He runs his WNBA team the same way his Detroit team was run....the Knicks have alot of good young pieces and he seems to love to play youth to better fit his style.

I really don't want Larry Brown. The Knicks should have got him before he signed with Detroit.....and again before he went to Philly.

The NBA game has changed and the Knicks need to give Bill LAimbeer a chance........besides........who else is going to come here and allow Isiah to have so much say in who is on the coaching staff and actually conduct private workouts during the actual workout?!?!? Not too many coaches will tolerate that.

Bill Laimbeer is the only option.

Fans kill me with this "favorite guy who we like no matter what stuff." The Knicks don't owe Herb Williams a damn thing. What is he a stepson or something. The guy was given a chance about 6 years ago based on the fact that he was the team's mascot or something. He was a backup center who was given a nice job as an assistant after he retired. Never heard anything special about him during his tenure as an assistant coach. Not once did I hear rumblings around the league that he was in demand, or he was helping develop talent or coming up with game plans to help the KNicks. Just the opposite. He was there for as many bad tentures as any other Knick coach in recent history. He was given a shot as an interim head coach based on situation and because he is a nice gentleman but he failed. And in all honestly didn't impress me or for that matter his superiors that much. I think he has been admirable in all of this but lets face it where else was he going to go. It's not like another team is chumping at the bit to get a piece of Herb. Personally I think if he is out of job here he will be out of the NBA, I guess JVG would hire him. Let me know when Herb has distinguish as a coach whether its a head coach or assistant coach on any level NBA, NCAA, or HS and then I say you can make a serious plead for his right to coach and be given a chance.

Bring back Herb!

Could not have said it any better...What has Herb done for to better the Knicks administration???? I have asked this question many times, and none of his supporters seem to be able to answer it...If he was one of the old Knicks that helped us won a championship, I would say yes, but that dude has not helped us with anything as far as I am concerned, why must we be loyal to him????

Posted by Pharzeone:

Fans kill me with this "favorite guy who we like no matter what stuff." The Knicks don't owe Herb Williams a damn thing. What is he a stepson or something. The guy was given a chance about 6 years ago based on the fact that he was the team's mascot or something. He was a backup center who was given a nice job as an assistant after he retired. Never heard anything special about him during his tenure as an assistant coach. Not once did I hear rumblings around the league that he was in demand, or he was helping develop talent or coming up with game plans to help the KNicks. Just the opposite. He was there for as many bad tentures as any other Knick coach in recent history. He was given a shot as an interim head coach based on situation and because he is a nice gentleman but he failed. And in all honestly didn't impress me or for that matter his superiors that much. I think he has been admirable in all of this but lets face it where else was he going to go. It's not like another team is chumping at the bit to get a piece of Herb. Personally I think if he is out of job here he will be out of the NBA, I guess JVG would hire him. Let me know when Herb has distinguish as a coach whether its a head coach or assistant coach on any level NBA, NCAA, or HS and then I say you can make a serious plead for his right to coach and be given a chance.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by simrud:

We already did this with Chaney, look how that worked out. Enough of this lets give him a chance crap, he needs a training camp bs, this is NY, we should be competing every year not runnin a freakin charity. Get a REAL COACH!

as much as chaney's run here stunk - he DID have the players play hard from him and was told by layden to play eisley, spoon, and the rest of layden's magnificents. they made that playoff run after dice went out and spree missed the first 8 games.

hey, he's not supercoach BUT he the players DID play hard for him. but that whole regime's time was over.

now herb is a rookie head coach in every sense of the word. the players respect him like crazy AND the vets did play hard for him last year. so those are positives. nate, doc, and porter all got chances so why shouldn't herb? and seriously, how many better candidates are out there, two? three?

Losing to Atlanta and Toronto at home and allowing 139 and 105 points is playing hard? Could have fooled me.

1st of all exactly what was Herb supposed to have done in that horrid situation last year. What coach who's never been a head coach before would want to come in under those circumstances.

Long losing streak
minor injury to key players
no H2O, no Penny
TT playing like he's been bodysnatched.
more trades that shake up the teams balance and make it even shorter.
the biggest and toughest stage in the NBA

SO in Herb goes and he's already in the deep end of the pool and drowning. He actually got TT to play ball again, gave Sweets more floor time, JC became more of a passer and the team actually got back into the season for a while. The Knicks played much better D under Herb. The only thing that killed Herb's season was a 4 game western road trip. They lost those games and lost their motivation since they knew they were out of the playoff race for sure.

Before the 4 game West Coast Trip that killed their season. Herb had gone 12-15 with the Knicks. Now understand that when he took over the team was already in a horrible 1-9 slide. When he took over the team continued to lose but they did start to play better in Feb.

Lets face it that team wasn't going to be great as it was constructed. We all know it needed changes. What 1st yr coach would have been able to get those guys to snap back again and make the playoffs? I doubt many would have been able to do it.

Now Herb has had time to actually come up with his own playbook and determine a style. He had a chance to attend some coaching seminars and got some info from Tex Winter on the triangle offense. He's been all into the draft and player development. He's a long time Knick and knows the town and won't be fazed by it. He wasn't rattled last yr. He won't be this yr if he's the coach.