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7/12/2005  11:02 AM
Just like our PF contingency, our guard situation has to be resolved.

It is clear to me that either Marbury or Crawford has to go. I would prefer to trade Stephon right now along with Rose. Then trade Q or Crawford next year to free up cap space for LeBron the following year. All for expring contracts.

Actually, screw that, let's trade Crawford right now!
Rose and Crawford for Eddie Jones and a 1st rounder from Miami. Jones is an exprining contract next year and would be a good stop gap till LeBron comes. Miami would love this deal with Rose coming in. He is a VanGundy type player.

Marbury for Jason Terry(expiring contract this year),Stackhouse(expiring contract next year), Josh Howard(another young, long athletic player). This would give Dirk Digler his PG to replace Nash. Isn't that ironic?

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7/12/2005  11:11 AM
i would prefer to have at least 1 G who plays defense on the perimeter to cover up for the other's defensive weaknesses.

if Marbury is not going to be traded, then i wouldn't mind seeing something like this:

Crawford for Kwame & WAS's 1st round pick in '06 (WAS can replace Hughes' role in their offense w/Craw, & NY gets a young bigman along w/a possible lottery pick in '06)

OR

Crawford for Harrington (ATL gets a young PG/SG & NY gets a post up player who can play the 3/4 & take over fugazy's role on this team)


THEN

Sign Kerry Kittles to a MLE contract.

C - Frye / Butler
PF - Kwame / Rose / Mo T
SF - Harrington / Ariza / JYD
SG - Q / Kittles
PG - Marbury / Nate

[Edited by - TMS on 07/12/2005 11:13:07]
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7/12/2005  11:13 AM
Then, trade JYD, Sweetney and the San Antonio 1st rd pick for Jamal Magliore and the Hornets 2nd rd pick for next year.

COOL!

C-Magliore, Frye, Butler
PF-MoT, Lee, TT
SF-Ariza, Howard, Penny
SG-Q, Eddie Jones, Stackhouse
PG-Terry, Nate
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7/12/2005  11:14 AM
Sign Hunter for part of the MLE.
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7/12/2005  11:21 AM
At this point I rather keep Crawford than Marbury because of age and the fact that Marbury has put on a lot of wear and tear on those knees. I see him breaking down like J Kidd. I think it was a mistake to let him play in the Olympics last year. The same with J Kidd for the summer games. I think Crawford has much potential to be a big time guard in this league. He is still rather young, and athlethic. He has the flair for the dramatic too.
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7/12/2005  11:24 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

At this point I rather keep Crawford than Marbury because of age and the fact that Marbury has put on a lot of wear and tear on those knees. I see him breaking down like J Kidd. I think it was a mistake to let him play in the Olympics last year. The same with J Kidd for the summer games. I think Crawford has much potential to be a big time guard in this league. He is still rather young, and athlethic. He has the flair for the dramatic too.

and at 6-5 180LB he would be best suited at PG against small players as opposed to guarding SGs who have 30-40LBs on him
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7/12/2005  11:31 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Sign Hunter for part of the MLE.

2 words...HELL & NO.
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7/12/2005  11:33 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

At this point I rather keep Crawford than Marbury because of age and the fact that Marbury has put on a lot of wear and tear on those knees. I see him breaking down like J Kidd. I think it was a mistake to let him play in the Olympics last year. The same with J Kidd for the summer games. I think Crawford has much potential to be a big time guard in this league. He is still rather young, and athlethic. He has the flair for the dramatic too.

you all know my 1st preference is to trade Marbury instead of Craw because i think that would be the easiest way to improve our future outlook...but since Isiah has said Marbury isn't going anywhere, then i think trading Craw might be the next logical option if you could replace him w/2 guys like Kwame/Harrington & Kittles...i think that balances out the roster alot better.
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7/12/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by TMS:

i would prefer to have at least 1 G who plays defense on the perimeter to cover up for the other's defensive weaknesses.

if Marbury is not going to be traded, then i wouldn't mind seeing something like this:

Crawford for Kwame & WAS's 1st round pick in '06 (WAS can replace Hughes' role in their offense w/Craw, & NY gets a young bigman along w/a possible lottery pick in '06)

OR

Crawford for Harrington (ATL gets a young PG/SG & NY gets a post up player who can play the 3/4 & take over fugazy's role on this team)


THEN

Sign Kerry Kittles to a MLE contract.

C - Frye / Butler
PF - Kwame / Rose / Mo T
SF - Harrington / Ariza / JYD
SG - Q / Kittles
PG - Marbury / Nate

[Edited by - TMS on 07/12/2005 11:13:07]
If Was didn't try to match the offer of $70 mil for Larry Hughes, why should we think they'd have any interest in paying $50 mil for Jamal Crawford who is significantly inferior to Hughes?
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7/12/2005  11:52 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If Was didn't try to match the offer of $70 mil for Larry Hughes, why should we think they'd have any interest in paying $50 mil for Jamal Crawford who is significantly inferior to Hughes?

is a difference of $20 million chump change to you?
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7/12/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If Was didn't try to match the offer of $70 mil for Larry Hughes, why should we think they'd have any interest in paying $50 mil for Jamal Crawford who is significantly inferior to Hughes?

is a difference of $20 million chump change to you?
It is compared to the talent of the two players involved. You don't pass on a near all-star at $11 mil a season to take an average starter for $8 mil a season. Hughes is worth more than $3 mil more than Crawford.
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7/12/2005  12:09 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Just like our PF contingency, our guard situation has to be resolved.

It is clear to me that either Marbury or Crawford has to go. I would prefer to trade Stephon right now along with Rose. Then trade Q or Crawford next year to free up cap space for LeBron the following year. All for expring contracts.

Actually, screw that, let's trade Crawford right now!
Rose and Crawford for Eddie Jones and a 1st rounder from Miami. Jones is an exprining contract next year and would be a good stop gap till LeBron comes. Miami would love this deal with Rose coming in. He is a VanGundy type player.

Marbury for Jason Terry(expiring contract this year),Stackhouse(expiring contract next year), Josh Howard(another young, long athletic player). This would give Dirk Digler his PG to replace Nash. Isn't that ironic?

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If we need to resolve the G glut, I'd rather we trade Marbury than Crawford. At this stage, both players are not the type of players I want. If Nate proves to be a star PG material, then Isiah has to consider moving Marbury because of the cap relief it brings. But it will be almost impossible to move him due to his salary. We'll have to do something similar to what Pheonix did - Have a bargain sale. With that in mind, this is my dream NYK moves...

TRADE ONE
DALLAS TRADES
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
7-0 C from Congo
1.0 ppg, 0.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.9 minutes

Keith Van Horn
6-10 SF from Utah
12.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.6 minutes

Marquis Daniels
6-6 SG from Auburn
9.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 23.5 minutes

PLUS Dallas' 2007 #1 draft pick

NY TRADES
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
21.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 8.2 apg in 40.0 minutes

Jerome Williams
6-9 PF from Georgetown

Successful Scenario

TRADE 2
Q for Kwame.

TRADE 3
Craw & SPURS #1 pick & $3mm CASH for Artest.

THEN, as mentioned by BRIGGS before, sign Ha Seoung-Jin & Eddie Basden.

Buy out Houston.

Roster
Nate / Basden (who has decent handle & assist #s)
Daniels / Ariza / Penny
Artest / TT / KVH / Lee
Frye / Sweetney / Taylor / Rose
Kwame / Ha Seung-Jin / Mbenga

coached by Larry

Whoever deserving to be playing in NBDL goes there. This roster seems too young with no experience other than Rose, Artest, KVH/Penny/TT(who are gone at the end of the season), so maybe sign another vet who could provide leadership.

With this, we have 3 legit shot-blocking 7 footers. Tough defensive players in Nate/Basden/Artest/Ariza/Daniels/Rose. Good shooters in Nate/Artest/Frye. Good rebounding. They are young and could thrive with the coaching & mentoring by Larry Brown & Isiah.
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7/12/2005  12:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If Was didn't try to match the offer of $70 mil for Larry Hughes, why should we think they'd have any interest in paying $50 mil for Jamal Crawford who is significantly inferior to Hughes?

is a difference of $20 million chump change to you?
It is compared to the talent of the two players involved. You don't pass on a near all-star at $11 mil a season to take an average starter for $8 mil a season. Hughes is worth more than $3 mil more than Crawford.

dude, you were calling Crawford a GREAT acquisition by Isiah last year...now all of a sudden he's an average starter...gimme a break.
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7/12/2005  12:48 PM
Some of you are coming up with some good, fair, and atleast partly realistic trade ideas. But here's the problem:


"partly realistic".......What does that mean? It means that I can see those trades happening per say, but right now, in our situation, I don't see Marbury being traded AT ALL. I'll tell you what though. If we don't land Larry Brown, and Washington refuses to deal Kwame to NY for scraps, there's a much better chance that Isiah will look to trade Steph this summer as opposed to later. Zeke def. did lightly shop Marbury recently, but only to gage his market value right now. He's keeping his options open, the sign of a good GM. He likes Marbury, but realizes that without the right pieces (a proven coach, a legit Big, etc.), we won't be making strides towards reaching the playoffs NOW.

If our playoff hopes fall apart this summer (no Larry Brown, no legit Big man), I think Marbury would be the first to go, plain and simple. Given the current state of our salary cap, and the young players Isiah has brought in, Marbury wouldn't fit in as well as Crawford...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 12:49:46]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/12/2005  2:28 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If Was didn't try to match the offer of $70 mil for Larry Hughes, why should we think they'd have any interest in paying $50 mil for Jamal Crawford who is significantly inferior to Hughes?

is a difference of $20 million chump change to you?
It is compared to the talent of the two players involved. You don't pass on a near all-star at $11 mil a season to take an average starter for $8 mil a season. Hughes is worth more than $3 mil more than Crawford.

dude, you were calling Crawford a GREAT acquisition by Isiah last year...now all of a sudden he's an average starter...gimme a break.
It was a good acquisition: He got a player with huge upside for just by giving up players who were not a part of the team's future. He's still to this point only an average starter as you could easily list 15 starting SGs who are better than he is. The two topics are different points. Why are you drifting off the subject anyway, which is that the Wizards would clearly consider Hughes who had a near all-star season with them to be worth $3 mil per season more than Jamal.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/12/2005 14:30:09]
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7/12/2005  3:43 PM
Larry comes, marbs stays.
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7/12/2005  3:45 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Larry comes, marbs stays.

^ .... exactly what I've been saying
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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