I remember Isiah saying in an interview around the time he was hired that he is not going to undertake a drastic rebuilding project. He said he will try to bring in players that will help the team rebuild and be competetive. I think he has done a decent job so far. I am going to wait till the trade deadline this year to make a real judgement.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Portland has accomplished what again?
Oh yeah, nothing.

Chicago has sucked for what about 8 straight years, and has traded away players like Ron artest and Elton Brand. They are hardly the franchise to follow. They have a good team now, but lets see what happens when its time for all those young guys to re-up and Curry and Tyson become UFA. No one has rebuilt through the draft only and been a success.

BTW, if we had Dalembert and no Craw or Steph guess what, we'd have a high lottery pick. Dalembert isn't Hakeem, he isn't PAt, he isn't even Dikembe, although he may devleop into that. We didn't rebuild because we got Steph and Craw, and they were supposed to play with H20 and rule the atlantic. If H20 came back healthy they would have, and we would have been a good playoff team. That didn't happen but we still are in better shape now than we would have been had he rebuilt from scratch.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07/11/2005 17:46:57]

Absolutely AMEN

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Posted by Killa4luv:

Portland has accomplished what again?
Oh yeah, nothing.

Chicago has sucked for what about 8 straight years, and has traded away players like Ron artest and Elton Brand. They are hardly the franchise to follow. They have a good team now, but lets see what happens when its time for all those young guys to re-up and Curry and Tyson become UFA. No one has rebuilt through the draft only and been a success.

BTW, if we had Dalembert and no Craw or Steph guess what, we'd have a high lottery pick. Dalembert isn't Hakeem, he isn't PAt, he isn't even Dikembe, although he may devleop into that. We didn't rebuild because we got Steph and Craw, and they were supposed to play with H20 and rule the atlantic. If H20 came back healthy they would have, and we would have been a good playoff team. That didn't happen but we still are in better shape now than we would have been had he rebuilt from scratch.

why do some knick fans think that we are some kind of hot playoff team-we havent been .500 in a long time. i believed and still do that acquiring marbury was a mistake, that we needed to rebuild right there. I give Isiah credit for abandoning ship, but he certainly made the gaping hole that much wider. Right now the biggest hope for Knick fans is that Channing frye pans out. he has to be atleast solid and consistent, meaning 14-15 +7, for those of you old enough to remember, those are NOT anywhere near real NBA big man numbers, they are Charles Smith like. Some of the younger fans associate Jamal Magliore with NBA big man all start and really is a farce to the league--big man all star are guy like duncan shaq amare karl malone david Robinson Pat, KG etc.. guys who could avg 22-25 points pull down 10-13 rebounds and shoot 50% 14-15+7 is Tayshaun Prince numbers, and for all the hype Isiah laid on Frye, he better put up 14-15 and 7-8 or he is a bust as far as im concnerned. and if he is a bust isiah becomes a bust in my eyes, so Isiah has ben given a pass for anything that happened in the first two years and his big move is channing frye--thats how i will evaluate isiah.

Posted by Killa4luv:

No one has rebuilt through the draft only and been a success.

Draft only -- impossible. But foundations ABSOLUTELY!!!

Spurs of the 00's (TD, Parker, Manu (even Robinson before them)).
Pheonix of the 00's (Amare and Shawn Marion)
Bulls of the 90's (Jordan and Pippen).
Houston of the 90's (Hakeem, Cassell, Horry)
Jazz of the 90's (Stockton Malone)
Lakers of the 80's-90's (Magic and Worthy)
Celtics of the 80's (Bird and McHale)
Detroit of the 80's (IT and Dumars)

On the contrary teams that happen to be good that don't build
thru the draft, usually don't last being good for very long.
The FA's just demand too much money, and it's impossible to build
a good team from scratch with just FA's.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Portland has accomplished what again?
Oh yeah, nothing.

Chicago has sucked for what about 8 straight years, and has traded away players like Ron artest and Elton Brand. They are hardly the franchise to follow. They have a good team now, but lets see what happens when its time for all those young guys to re-up and Curry and Tyson become UFA. No one has rebuilt through the draft only and been a success.

BTW, if we had Dalembert and no Craw or Steph guess what, we'd have a high lottery pick. Dalembert isn't Hakeem, he isn't PAt, he isn't even Dikembe, although he may devleop into that. We didn't rebuild because we got Steph and Craw, and they were supposed to play with H20 and rule the atlantic. If H20 came back healthy they would have, and we would have been a good playoff team. That didn't happen but we still are in better shape now than we would have been had he rebuilt from scratch.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07/11/2005 17:46:57]

Just because Chicago couldn't develop talent and keep them doesn't mean they were on the wrong path- they just couldn't execute.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by franco12:

Just because Chicago couldn't develop talent and keep them doesn't mean they were on the wrong path- they just couldn't execute.

Dude good point. Chicago made some bonehead moves. They traded Brand for Curry and Chandler and they also traded Artest and Brad Miller for Antonio Davis and Jalen Rose. They would be unreal right now with Kirk Hinrich, Artest, Brand and Brad Miller.

Chicago sucked for 8 years to create that squad, which is good, but not great and wont be together by the time they all develop. thats not a path I can tolerate.

They wouldn't be unreal they would be waaaay over the cap and would have lost some of those guys to free agency.


Panos- everybody drafts somebody. We drafted Ewing, Mark Jackson, and Hubert Davis. Every team has key players they acquired through the draft, Chicago and portland were the examples that Mac used and I don't see the success in those teams to want to copy them.