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djsunyc
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7/10/2005  6:14 PM
nate was taken with #21.
isiah made the deal for Q on the same day.
so he brought in 2 guards - nate and Q
has a combo in tow - craw

so was nate brought in to give us depth so we can live through an injury?

was nate brought in to give marbury 15 mins off a night?

or was nate brought in to give us the luxury to move steph?

reason why i say steph is b/c i don't think craw is going anywhere - he's isiah's golden child.

we didn't have ANY big men. we just traded kurt yet isiah didn't take on any big man or project at #21. he didnt use it to trade up or anything. he may have tried, but it didn't work so he took a PG.

what is really going on here?
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jaydh
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7/10/2005  6:15 PM
nate was drafted because he has value right away.
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7/10/2005  6:24 PM
Back up for sure. Plus, a steal at 21 that IT couldn't pass up.
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7/10/2005  7:18 PM
to be honest, Isiah, IMO, is not you're everyday knowledgable fan. He's done things most of us wouldn't have thought of (in a good way), and a few things some of us wouldn't touch. He's unpredictable most of the time.

Then there's his attachment to certain players, and his knack for getting rid of players he doesn't like even if theyre playing well (KVH). I think Isiah is smart enough to realize what most of us do about the team, but, unfortunately, too proud sometimes to correct moves that haven't panned out.

My answer for you is I don't know.

Sorry for rambling...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
djsunyc
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7/10/2005  7:20 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Then there's his attachment to certain players, and his knack for getting rid of players he doesn't like even if theyre playing well (KVH).

one thing tho - isiah LOVED kvh and wanted him to come out a year earlier so he could draft him for toronto. in fact, during that whole trade for tim, he kept kvh in the loop and let him know for a few days the status of the trade and the situation.
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7/10/2005  7:23 PM
I've been under the impression that Steph didn't like KVH and that therefore Isiah didn't like him. Catch my drift...


Little bit of favoritism going on here.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  9:35 PM
I think Marbury is more "Golden Child" to Isiah than Crawford. JC better watch out for Q.

Nate Robinson was definitely brought in to back up Marbury and if he turns out really good, play alongside him. But replace Marbury...I wish he was that good, then I and probably Herb or whomever, would just play them together Ala Earl the Pearl and Frazier.

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7/10/2005  10:59 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I've been under the impression that Steph didn't like KVH and that therefore Isiah didn't like him. Catch my drift...


Little bit of favoritism going on here.
they got along fine while in ny as well as playing well together. as for why he traded for tt, i have no clue. i guess my only choice is to keep w/the "fits the team better than kvh" thing.
as for nate, definitely to back up steph. at least for now.
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7/10/2005  11:02 PM
Fact is, drafting is an inexact science. You don't konw what you're getting when you make the pick, you get a glimpse ... enough to have only a better sense of what you've got during summer league ... and then don't really find out until you put the guys on the court against NBA talent in games that count. Even then, some guys take longer to develop, and others show flashes of brilliance immediately and then have trouble living up to what they made you expect from them (Mark Jackson).

All that said, IT obviously liked Nate or he wouldn't have picked him, but I don't think he expected to get a guy who could start at pg as a rookie when he made the 21st pick. And even though Big Nate is quickly becoming my favorite Knick, I wouldn't bet on him being ready to thrive with major minutes based on a few SL games. He's clearly got a lot to offer, but who knows if he'll be able to put it all together once the season starts.

I don't, btw, agree that IT develops unreasonable loyalty to players and then refuses to move them when reason would dictate he do so. I believe he has put out feelers for Steph on the market and Chad The IdiotAss didn't totally make up his "Several GM's" unattributed quotes. I think IT wants to see what's available. He feels better about his backcourt w/ Nate, and he hopes/thinks that Craw is better suited to point than 2. And he feels if he could get a superstar big or an up and coming big for Steph, the team would be better balanced.
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7/10/2005  11:10 PM
[quote]Posted by bobs3304:

Then there's his attachment to certain players, and his knack for getting rid of players he doesn't like even if theyre playing well (KVH).

Aren't you forgetting that we got Nazr mohammed in that trade as well. It was a good move any way you slice it.
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7/10/2005  11:31 PM
No, I agree. That was a good trade. But it was at the same time that we were starting to gel as a team, and he didn't really need to be dealt. But I'm def. not arguing with that move. I thought it was a steal... Point is, Isiah seems completely willig to trade certain players and not so with others.

You can't really gage who he's willing to trade b/c the way he feels about a certain player could do a complete 360 from one month to the next. Whoever thought Nazr would be traded when he was?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  12:03 AM
I've wondered about this too and I think it's impossible too know whether Isiah's planning to use Jamal and Nate at PG in the future without Marbury. I don't think he's planning to have Marbury, Jamal, and Nate all on the roster for the next five years. That wouldn't make sense. One thing that's gotten me curious is not that Isiah emphatically denied the rumors that he was looking to trade Marbury, but that he waited about a week after the rumors came out to do so. Was he talking to GMs about Marbury during that week and he decided he didn't like any of the offers and then decided to claim he had no interest in trading Marbury?
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7/11/2005  10:01 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I've wondered about this too and I think it's impossible too know whether Isiah's planning to use Jamal and Nate at PG in the future without Marbury. I don't think he's planning to have Marbury, Jamal, and Nate all on the roster for the next five years. That wouldn't make sense. One thing that's gotten me curious is not that Isiah emphatically denied the rumors that he was looking to trade Marbury, but that he waited about a week after the rumors came out to do so. Was he talking to GMs about Marbury during that week and he decided he didn't like any of the offers and then decided to claim he had no interest in trading Marbury?
Well, he didn't wait until a week after it came out, he responded the day after it was on the front page of RealGM. Its not like he is going to respond to Chad Ford's articles all the time, its just that rumor was starting to grow wings and was getting very loud to the point something had to be said.
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7/11/2005  10:11 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I've wondered about this too and I think it's impossible too know whether Isiah's planning to use Jamal and Nate at PG in the future without Marbury. I don't think he's planning to have Marbury, Jamal, and Nate all on the roster for the next five years. That wouldn't make sense. One thing that's gotten me curious is not that Isiah emphatically denied the rumors that he was looking to trade Marbury, but that he waited about a week after the rumors came out to do so. Was he talking to GMs about Marbury during that week and he decided he didn't like any of the offers and then decided to claim he had no interest in trading Marbury?
Well, he didn't wait until a week after it came out, he responded the day after it was on the front page of RealGM. Its not like he is going to respond to Chad Ford's articles all the time, its just that rumor was starting to grow wings and was getting very loud to the point something had to be said.

Bonn- that probably is a good read- he saw he couldn't get anything, or at least has a few notes to go back to mid season if Nate is a good fit at PG.

Lets say Dallas is in the thick of things mid december, they might call isiah up and add a piece to what they were saying they would do now- isiah whips out his cap calculator, feels good about Nate & Craw at the pg, and pulls the trigger.

Adios, Marbury!
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7/11/2005  11:14 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

No, I agree. That was a good trade. But it was at the same time that we were starting to gel as a team, and he didn't really need to be dealt. But I'm def. not arguing with that move. I thought it was a steal... Point is, Isiah seems completely willig to trade certain players and not so with others.

You can't really gage who he's willing to trade b/c the way he feels about a certain player could do a complete 360 from one month to the next. Whoever thought Nazr would be traded when he was?
I disagree about the team starting to 'gel'. I remember the last couple of games before the break. When they went west, they killed by Dallas, Houston and another team. KVH couldn't even get off the bench he was being abused and was a constant non-factor in the 4th quarter. I suspect he had injury issues that haunted him with the Bucks and with Dallas. Shandon was getting to much action in the 4th quarters.
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7/11/2005  11:36 AM
Thats simply not ture man, we were on a nice winning streak going into the break. We just won a couple of good games against some good teams.

That team was def. gelling. Marbury never played better then he did during the short strech KVH and Doleac were here.

Considering how awful TT is, and that we traded Mohammed for 2 late/early 2nd round picks, and a cap killer in Rose, I don't think that trade can be views as a sure win for the Knicks.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/11/2005  2:55 PM
Nate is going to get some burn. The new Zone D's give little guys more room to work, and thus the addition of small guys as spark plugs to an offense. This guy is a transition wonder and will be a garden favorite not as a freak, cus he can play.
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7/11/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Nate is going to get some burn. The new Zone D's give little guys more room to work, and thus the addition of small guys as spark plugs to an offense. This guy is a transition wonder and will be a garden favorite not as a freak, cus he can play.

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7/11/2005  3:09 PM
when you have a talent like Nate, you can't afford not to find him time to get on the court. Both he and Marburry can get on the court together, especially when we need defense. This Nate dude appears to be ****y on the court, he may turn out to be a big shot type of player...Earl Boykins gets a lot of minutes with Andre in the game...
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