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roblackman
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7/10/2005  11:59 AM
Anyone who has watched alot of Knicks games since Marbury arrived will probably agree with me when I say that rarely have the Knicks ever looked liked they were having fun playing basketball. The team almost always looked like the were demoralized and had no spirit to them whatsoever. I hate to blame one person but I think you have to look to your star player, your franchise player, especially if he is your floor leader. Marbury does not inspire any of his teammates, he rarely even breaks a grin, he seems like he is miserable to be around and the team plays like that. I think his overbearing presence hinders the way his teammates play--they wait to see what Stephon's going to do before they assert themselves but the problem is that Stephon doesn't even know what he's going to do: "Should I shoot? Should I pass? What was that loud buzzing? Oh, the shotclock."
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7/10/2005  12:01 PM
I disagree. the young kids are having fun...the lazy older players are the ones that weren't having fun...now they are almost gone and the fun and buzz is returning to the garden.
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7/10/2005  12:02 PM
I seem to remember the old and cranky Malik Rose and JYD showing some spirit, even when Marbury fails to get the offense rolling...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  1:02 PM
Oh I can't take this nonsense anymore!!

The big bad Marbury is holding back the greats like Malik Rose, Ariza, KT and Sweetney from excelling. Yeah, ok.
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7/10/2005  1:08 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Oh I can't take this nonsense anymore!!

The big bad Marbury is holding back the greats like Malik Rose, Ariza, KT and Sweetney from excelling. Yeah, ok.

I agree Killa. The Marbury hating is getting out of hand. If the Knicks had any player or just one good big man that was worth a **** and Marbury still didnt get it done then I'd say fine, I agree he needs to go. Until that happens, he's a great PG trying to win games to me.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 13:09:30]
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7/10/2005  1:37 PM
I agree that Marbury played an amazing season last year. Great assists, great physical endurance. You could really tell that he was frustrated when he had to resort to shooting himself with 3 seconds on the clock. This is NOT a matter of getting him a good big man. It's entirely an issue of getting him a REAL COACH. I think Marbury showed enough heart last year that I'm going to withhold judgment until I see how he plays with a real coach, if that ever happens under IT.

Marbs smiled a lot last year, but he was also frustrated, and I think was not too subtle about how he feels about finding a coach when they asked him about Herb.

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7/10/2005  1:56 PM
It's on and off with Marbs. He was full of emotion and spirit for the team for his 1st hals-season here. Last year I thought he looked up for the first half of nthe season and then got down the 2nd half. SOmewhat undertandable - it was an abominable 2nd half and he's a guy who's emotions are on his sleeves and sometimes has trouble with body language and sulkiness. It's part of the whole package. He's not perfect, but he's damn good and I think extremely resilient. I would stick with him as the leader of this team. And if, as others have pointed out here, we continue to upgrade the roster but not the win total, then I think it's totally fair to reassess youir lead player, no matter who that person is.
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7/10/2005  2:14 PM
Marbury doesn't seem to be anyone's favorite teammate and he comes off as arrogant in his interviews and the way he carries himself.

However, a few wins and we won't care about his personality and I promise you the team moral will appear better.

San Antonio and Detroit didn't look like they were having fun, but they were good.

Nate Robinson can be a nice injection of enthusiasm.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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7/10/2005  2:40 PM
Marbury is not all that better than your everyday Billups and Parkers and Arenasas and Cassells. And yet, everyone thinks that with the roster we have right now, with one addition, we'll be significantly better.

Look at the Pistons. They have Billups, and then Rip, and then the Wallaces, and then a great coach, and then a pretty solid bench.

We have......Marbury. Q is a nice addition, and I like Crawford's versatility, but let's face it.....we have **** after that. We need a MAJOR roster overhaul. And unless Isiah is patient enough to face a similar season like last year, then I can't see him NOT dealing Marbury or Crawford (Marbury the obvious preference) and ATLEAST 1-2 PF's...

I like the rookie additions, but theyre ROOKIES. Let's face it, if we're rebuilding, which it looks like we are, then Marbury needs to go, as well as probably Rose and maybe JYD or Taylor.

Some of you are being TOO optimistic. This roster is gonna be different from last year's, but not all THAT better. Marbury is still our best player, and our frontcourt is anything but better. It's...........WORSE. Stro or Kwame won't change that. Not to mention those same 3 rookies, with all that talent, won't be getting **** for minutes.

But, OK. I'm sure Isiah wouldn't mind going through another losing season... B/c by the look of things after the season, he was happy with the results.



Ya.........right.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  2:54 PM
When you're as talented as Marbury is and so many teams are willing to trade you, it is not a good endorsement of you as a player. Every team gets better after moving Marbury, now it's the Knicks turn to reap the benefits.
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7/10/2005  3:06 PM
trading marbury is more about addition by subtraction if anything else...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  3:12 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

trading marbury is more about addition by subtraction if anything else...
translation...you hate marbs...irregardless if it helps the kicks, you want him gone.
go to the celtic board.
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roblackman
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7/10/2005  3:15 PM
Where is the Celtics board? Thanks.
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7/10/2005  3:17 PM
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bobs3304
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7/10/2005  3:25 PM
You dont get it dude. I don't hate Marbury, but it's not about him. It's about the team. If we can get this team where Marbury isn't heavily relied on to lead us, then I'm totally fine with it. But the type of player we'd need is almost def. not available.

I'm not one to accept or pretend to like mediocrity.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  3:47 PM
and who says we can't rebuild in nyc?

We have that team...while we may not have amare, we do have a nice young team.

Marbs at the point, Craw at SG and Q at SF, with whoever the hell we want at the 4 and 5 is most definitely headed in the right direction.

Now, you trade marbs for an all star, same team, different weaknesses.

We move the gluts at 4 and 5 for a proven 4 or 5, we make playoffs get to second round.

I mean...how in the heck do washington and Chicago play so well. before the season, they had nothing but scraps...they put it together and they are a team.

Th ereson we sucked last year was H20 not playing at all. and we started teh season 16 - 13.

Q is better than h20 (he has a better post up game and we know about his ability from the 3).

we make the playoffs with this roster as is.

but only because we have marbury.
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7/10/2005  3:51 PM
I'm not really getting any good reasons why marbs must go other than you just don't think he fits.

But, you say trade him for ANYBODY else, and we still suck...what's the point exactly?
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7/10/2005  4:50 PM
It's been a minute since I posted... (I think), but alot of u Marbury haters seem to forget he played for the USA team before the season began, and he logged alot of minutes during the regular season, not to mention he had no real backup at the point, and his team was plagued with alot of iunjuries all this and the fact that the Knicks had some coaching problems and no Center. Damn, give him some slack. Why would u get on a guy about not smiling and not displaying the level of excitement that would please "you" when he's on a loosing team. $hit, I wouldn't smile if my team was loosing either. What's funny or happy about that?
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7/10/2005  6:32 PM
Marbury's teams in the past have always had problems when he was there that he unfairly took the blame for. Minn he was young so was KG, NJ had injuries to Kmart and Kittles, and PHX sucked after he left. It was after they got Nash they got good.
Leave Marbury, bring in the players to surround him. The knicks will win again.
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7/10/2005  7:57 PM
FOR THE FINAL FUCKIN TIME:

I don't hate Marbury. I question our ability to win with him as our most-relied on player. Crawford WILL NOT be starting at SG, Q will. Crawford will come off the bench and log around 30 MPG (hopefully). That's fine with me. The problem, IMO, is that the way the team is constructed right now, even with a Kwame or Jerome James or Stro, we're basically a poor man's Wizards (from last season). That might be good enough to get into the playoffs, but what after that? I'll tell you what after that -- a quick exit.

I strongly feel that, unless we can land a Magloire, or Boozer, or Brand, or Camby, or even Nene....we're basically doomed to mediocrity b/c all the pressure will still be on Marbury (and to a certain extent Q Rich). With no true, legit inside presence (especially with Kurt gone), I don't see keeping Marbury all that worth it. I'd much rather attain cap normalization by 2007, and get younger and more athletic and have potential....and be mediocre, than keep Marbury, dig ourselves deeper into cap hell, and be slightly better than mediocre.

For the last time, I def. don't hate Marbury, and this has alot more to do with the team than him.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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