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One Eastern Conf. GM says we'd have to give up Q in order to get Kwame (Ny Times)
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TheloniusMonk
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7/9/2005  12:17 AM
The article is mainly about Ariza but they mention Kwame Brown towards the end.

http://nytimes.com/2005/07/09/sports/basketball/09knicks.html
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7/9/2005  12:23 AM
I would tell that GM to put down the pipe.
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7/9/2005  12:27 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

The article is mainly about Ariza but they mention Kwame Brown towards the end.

http://nytimes.com/2005/07/09/sports/basketball/09knicks.html

Knicks' Ariza Showing Muscle and Jump Shot








By HOWARD BECK
Published: July 9, 2005

LAS VEGAS, July 8 - In this off-season of unbridled optimism, which may be remembered in Knicks lore as the summer of youth and athleticism, Trevor Ariza occupies a curious position.

He is the youngest member of the Knicks' summer-league team, but also its second-most experienced player. His presence has been eclipsed by the intrigue surrounding the franchise's three first-round draft picks.

All of them are viewed as beacons of hope for a brighter Knicks future, but it is Ariza, a 6-foot-8 forward, who should have the greatest impact in the near term. After a rookie season that was both dazzling and uneven, Ariza reported to the summer league with more muscle on his body and more polish on his game.

He scored in double digits in both games this week and is averaging 14 points and 6 rebounds. Ariza leads the team in assists, with 8, and continues to be the Knicks player most likely to be found above the rim after a missed shot. And while the putback dunk remains his signature move, Ariza is showing progress with his jump shot, going 8 for 18 from the field.

"I love the fact that he spent so much time working on his game, and you can really see it in the way he's shooting the ball," said the team's president, Isiah Thomas. "He has better shot selection, and you look at his body, he's put on a little weight. He's bulking up. So he's taking his career very seriously. He's a very competitive person, and when you look at the character of the three draft picks, plus him, I think you get a nice glimpse of the future, in terms of where we're going and where we're going to be."

It will take a couple of years before anyone knows if this collection of athletes with an upside develops into something more. The rookies Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee all must adjust to the pro game. But all spent a minimum of three years in college and arrive as an unusually mature group. Ariza, at age 20, is younger than all of them. (Robinson is 21, Frye and Lee 22.)

He is growing up quickly, though - or at least growing. Ariza, who at 200 pounds was a relative lightweight last season, said he has added more than 10 pounds of muscle since late April. He is splitting time between New York and his home in Los Angeles, but is diligently following a program devised by Greg Brittenham, the team's strength coach.

The payoff for the high-flying Ariza often comes in mid-air, or in traffic in the key. "When I collide with people, there's not as much of an impact of me falling back," Ariza said.

He also is spending considerable time in the gym, trying to hone a jump shot that was virtually nonexistent at this time last year. Ariza said he is taking about 600 jump shots a day. He is using the summer league to work on other areas, such as creating a shot for himself.

"I'm still learning," he said.

Ariza has the quickness to score off the dribble, but he needs a reliable jump shot to keep defenders from playing back and cutting off his lanes. With Ariza's physical gifts, Thomas believes he could also become "a lockdown defender" on the perimeter - a kind of player the Knicks sorely need.

With Tim Thomas entering the final year of his contract, Ariza's time could come soon. "I like everything I'm seeing from him," Isiah Thomas said.

Wizards Shopping Brown

Larry Hughes's announced defection from Washington to Cleveland could provide the Knicks with a new chance to pry center Kwame Brown from the Wizards. But landing Brown remains a long shot.

Hughes, the Wizards' starting off guard last season, agreed Friday to sign with the Cavaliers. Washington is inviting sign-and-trade offers for Brown, a restricted free agent, and will seek a shooting guard in return.

If the Knicks want Brown, it will cost them Quentin Richardson, according to an Eastern Conference team executive who has been briefed on the talks. The executive requested anonymity to avoid jeopardizing potential deals.

Richardson's salary, $6.3 million, makes him a good fit in a trade for Brown, who is expected to earn something in that range in a new contract. But the Knicks just recently acquired Richardson, in a trade for Kurt Thomas, and would be reluctant to part with him while gambling on Brown. The first pick in the 2001 draft, Brown has yet to establish himself as a full-time starter.

The Wizards like Knicks forward Mike Sweetney, who played at Georgetown. But Sweetney's salary is too low and his potential too limited to make a deal work. The Knicks could balance salaries by placing Malik Rose ($6 million) or Jerome Williams ($6.1 million) in the deal, but the Wizards have no interest in either player.

With limited assets to offer in trades, and only the mid-level exception (about $5 million) to offer free agents, the Knicks may have to set their sights lower. Seattle's Jerome James and Phoenix's Steven Hunter are more realistic targets.
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7/9/2005  1:21 AM
Posted by Rich:

I would tell that GM to put down the pipe.
Could not have said it any better.
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7/9/2005  1:39 AM
I will do Brown Blatche and a number 1 for Q. I look at it this way, we can sign a FA SG, but if we can get what amounts to


Nate Robinson
Kwame Brown
Andray Blatche
future #1

sorry my friends, lets not over rate Q that much--a guard is a guard and this whole package would be for KT anyway.

Wash is desperate

we can sign Mike Finley to an MLE for 3 years
and sign FA Eddie Badsen

move Blatche and Lee to the NBDL


C Brown 7-0 260
PF Frye 6-11 245
SF Tim Thomas 6-10 245
SG Jamal Crawford 6-5 200
PG Step
C Taylor
PF Sweetney
G/F Finley
G Robinson


Q is not MJ--Q has been in the mid 30 a few times the last few years, we can find suitable reaplcement--basically we would be getting Kwame for money that was spent on Kurt thomas--add in Blatche and a pick for their desperation.
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7/9/2005  1:49 AM
I would do Brown, Blatche, and a #1 for Craw.
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7/9/2005  1:57 AM
Posted by Rich:

I would do Brown, Blatche, and a #1 for Craw.

really? ya think? fans in NY arent satisfied with trades unless they are blatantly lopsided.
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7/9/2005  2:02 AM
ok, this is getting a little crazy...

marbury
q
nate
craw

NONE of them are getting moved.

and most of all, kwame has shown that he's not worth ANY of them. for pete's sake, this guy was told to take a hike during the PLAYOFFS. hello, RED FLAGS galore.

at this point, i would offer malik or jyd and the spurs #1 for kwame and call it a day.
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7/9/2005  2:14 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Rich:

I would do Brown, Blatche, and a #1 for Craw.

really? ya think? fans in NY arent satisfied with trades unless they are blatantly lopsided.

Well ****, there have been lopsided against the Knick for too long (see, for example, the Camby and Nene for McDyess and FW trade), that it's about time to turn the tables.

Grunfeld blew enough draft picks while he was the Knicks' GM, it's time for some payback.

[Edited by - Rich on 07/09/2005 02:41:54]
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7/9/2005  2:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I will do Brown Blatche and a number 1 for Q.

I like this idea if this could be done. But I doubt that Wash will do this. I think they will go as far as Q for Brown & future pick, in which case I'm not sure if I'd like it.
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7/9/2005  5:09 AM
If Washington would accept Q for just Kwame and their 1st round pick i'd do that in a heartbeat. Q is a good player no question about it. However, I think Kwame is worth the risk and the pick would even it out for us. We can't get Blatche until December so that's out.

Go get Kwame Isiah....I know, easier said than done.
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7/9/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

ok, this is getting a little crazy...

marbury
q
nate
craw

NONE of them are getting moved.

and most of all, kwame has shown that he's not worth ANY of them. for pete's sake, this guy was told to take a hike during the PLAYOFFS. hello, RED FLAGS galore.

at this point, i would offer malik or jyd and the spurs #1 for kwame and call it a day.
my point exactly. why woud we risk our offseason pickup who's proven over a guy that's been labeled a "bust"? no thank you. or craw, yes he takes bad shots now and then but kid got game, and he's getting better shot selection. not to mention the fact that he has more game than kwame will ever have. marbs, lol. don't even compare one of the best pionts in the league to in my eyes a possible bust. i'd would most definetely take a chance on kwame, but let's not overrate him 'cause he's young and tall.
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7/9/2005  10:51 AM
Fans in N.Y can be so dumb, and it is sad to see. As a Newyorker myself, I am ashamed of you all. You always want other people's trash thinking that they will finally perform as stars because they are in N.Y. Kwame is a reject, yes, I said it,he is a freaking reject. If he was that good, the Wizzards would have never want to get rid of him.
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7/9/2005  11:07 AM
Here is the reasoning. first off, I really liked how Craw ended the season last year, he was playing like an all-star in the last 10. I think with the emergence of Nate, who is better than a 10 minute spark plug and Marbury, you get into a spot where time issues become a problem, that maybe we should go sign an Eddie Badsen for the bench as a defensive specialist at the 2 for beans and see if we can get a suitable 2G on the cheap for a couple of years. I think Badsen has a great chance to be this years Marquis Daniels, and I say that because his level of play has stayed on the same level as it did in college throughout the pre-draft camps and now the SL--when you see a guy like that excelling, who does poccess the superior type athletic ability, the physical ability to defend 1-2-3. Right now right this second Badsen is a MUCH better defnder than any Knick guard and second place would be nate. Q is very much a soft type defensive player, especially for his size.

The whole gig is, we can get a big man who is 7-0 260 and perhaps get some add ons for what amounts to be Kurt thomas. How many guys wouldve traded KT for Brown, and then added in Nate and possibly an additional 1?

Kwame did put up 10-7 over a season, that is far from a bust, and he was ready to breakout and got hurt. I think its a reasonable risk--what do NY fans think we got MJ here? Remember this is a guy who has shot in the 30% range a few times and is not a good defender. He can be replaced, we have special guards already, if we add a Badsen and a pro back up, were well stock and with draft picks and options, were set. But its the dm big man thats so hard to get!

Doesnt anyone see a BIG problem with 4 guards and PT? anyone who has watched nate--dont you think hes just a tad bit more than a 10 minute player?
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7/9/2005  11:24 AM
I really think Kwame can turn into a stud and I also believe that Nate is talented enough to be more than a 15 mpg player from what I've seen. However, Richardson straight up for Kwame is ridiculous from our standpoint. When someone gets kicked off a playoff team then you know the franchise doesn't value him that much. Now, with the recent departure of Hughes I realize that Brown is all of a sudden more valuable to the Wizards, but giving up Q for Kwame is just too much overpaying right now even though Kwame might turn into a monster. If they give us a first round pick in return, I would consider it and I would even do the deal that BRIGGS proposed earlier in this thread. No way in hell I trade Richardson straight up for Kwame though.
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7/9/2005  11:30 AM
I definitely rather give up Crawford than Q. They're the same age and Crawford is a much bigger defensive liabilty at 6-5 180LBS. Q is a better 3pt shooter and has a better sense of when to shoot it. Marbury and Crawford have no chemistry. Q can post up often and we don't have post players as it is. We can still go after Badsen to play the 2 or 3, although I thought it since we keep passing up on players who would significantly help us. Any team with Jamal Crawford will never have good chemistry!

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Posted by s3231:

I really think Kwame can turn into a stud and I also believe that Nate is talented enough to be more than a 15 mpg player from what I've seen. However, Richardson straight up for Kwame is ridiculous from our standpoint. When someone gets kicked off a playoff team then you know the franchise doesn't value him that much. Now, with the recent departure of Hughes I realize that Brown is all of a sudden more valuable to the Wizards, but giving up Q for Kwame is just too much overpaying right now even though Kwame might turn into a monster. If they give us a first round pick in return, I would consider it and I would even do the deal that BRIGGS proposed earlier in this thread. No way in hell I trade Richardson straight up for Kwame though.

I agree and when you look at the value of good swingmen right now, we would be getting the short end of that deal. Q and craw right now have value, especially when guys like Redd and Hughes are getting near max deals, there is no way I am going to be convinced that both redd and Hughes are that much better than Q and Craw if better at all. All of these guys have strengths and weaknesses, all are young players, right now we have two really good Swingmen, If one of them moves, I want a lot back, that is what the market is dictating right now....
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7/9/2005  11:33 AM
Well, for me atleast, it comes down to the fact that Marbury SHOULD be traded. Whether or not he can be or will, is beyond me. But there are PLENTY of reasons, all equally valid, why keeping him is no good.

Of course, I realize that we're dealing /w/ the Dolans here, and a guy in Isiah that makes alotta moves, but not always the right one.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by s3231:

I really think Kwame can turn into a stud and I also believe that Nate is talented enough to be more than a 15 mpg player from what I've seen. However, Richardson straight up for Kwame is ridiculous from our standpoint. When someone gets kicked off a playoff team then you know the franchise doesn't value him that much. Now, with the recent departure of Hughes I realize that Brown is all of a sudden more valuable to the Wizards, but giving up Q for Kwame is just too much overpaying right now even though Kwame might turn into a monster. If they give us a first round pick in return, I would consider it and I would even do the deal that BRIGGS proposed earlier in this thread. No way in hell I trade Richardson straight up for Kwame though.

I agree and when you look at the value of good swingmen right now, we would be getting the short end of that deal. Q and craw right now have value, especially when guys like Redd and Hughes are getting near max deals, there is no way I am going to be convinced that both redd and Hughes are that much better than Q and Craw if better at all. All of these guys have strengths and weaknesses, all are young players, right now we have two really good Swingmen, If one of them moves, I want a lot back, that is what the market is dictating right


Thats what i said, Q for Kwame a 2007 #1 pick and Blatche, sign Eddie Basden to a minimum 2 yr contract waive Houston and then sit tight with the MLE--we have a lot of options there, but we are for all intensive purposes, are looking at pure disaster without another big. I think the emergence of Nate gives us this opporuntunity. Heck even Ariza can play some 2G. IMO, lets get the BIG--lets get a good deal for him, where we pay ONLY what we actually pay LESS than what Qs contact has--something like 3 yeasr with a 4th years option for 30mm

and lets go


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7/9/2005  11:56 AM
Look, Kwame is not KG nor O'Neal, and most of all, will never be neither of those two. Kwame is not worth all of the commotions I am hearing about. Why Q? just doesn't make sense. Let them trade Kwame to Atlanta....
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