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I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?
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BRIGGS
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7/8/2005  8:49 PM
If they were interested in a 3-4 tweener, wasnt Gomes, who was an absolute stud in the bE, who battled guys all the top guys--who averaged 22+10, a guy with a real stroke and post up game with an NBA body, wouldnt it had make more sense? or was this a pick where they had to get a white man quota? I mean Gomes isnt quite the athlete Lee is, but Gomes skill sets and body are pro.
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7/8/2005  9:00 PM
the fact that Gomes fell to 50 probably has something to do him being 6'6 and not considered a great athlete. No way he's an uptempo player, Lee can definatly be seen as such.

They both got the line the same number of times
Lee has a much better FG% over their college careers

so to answer your question "I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?"

Better athlete, better in space, taller/longer player, better fit for an uptempo squad.
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7/8/2005  9:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that Gomes fell to 50 probably has something to do him being 6'6 and not considered a great athlete. No way he's an uptempo player, Lee can definatly be seen as such.

They both got the line the same number of times
Lee has a much better FG% over their college careers

so to answer your question "I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?"

Better athlete, better in space, taller/longer player, better fit for an uptempo squad.


He an inch taller, but hes not longer, they have the same standing reach and Gomes has a 7-2 wingspan compared to Lee's 7-0

we already have guys who are grinders in JYD malik, I mean Gomes has pro skill sets he can shoot from 3 he has a great post up game, hes a good athlete, he played 4 years at the highest level facing double teams every night--he outweighs Lee by a good 10 pounds. Lee looks like he cant get his shot off in the SL--he shooting 20% he has no jumper--so what is his value to the Knicks with what we have?
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7/8/2005  9:28 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that Gomes fell to 50 probably has something to do him being 6'6 and not considered a great athlete. No way he's an uptempo player, Lee can definatly be seen as such.

They both got the line the same number of times
Lee has a much better FG% over their college careers

so to answer your question "I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?"

Better athlete, better in space, taller/longer player, better fit for an uptempo squad.


He an inch taller, but hes not longer, they have the same standing reach and Gomes has a 7-2 wingspan compared to Lee's 7-0

we already have guys who are grinders in JYD malik, I mean Gomes has pro skill sets he can shoot from 3 he has a great post up game, hes a good athlete, he played 4 years at the highest level facing double teams every night--he outweighs Lee by a good 10 pounds. Lee looks like he cant get his shot off in the SL--he shooting 20% he has no jumper--so what is his value to the Knicks with what we have?

I think it's his ability to run the floor. Gomes is not an opencourt player, he's a half-court offensive player. The ability to run the floor for Lee is probably what got him drafted to the Knicks, I like Gomes alot but if Isiah picked him he would have really confused me because it's clear that he has a plan now and thats to run teams into the ground.
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7/8/2005  9:30 PM
I thought the plan was to get bigger and more athletic, Because if thats the case then it was a good choice drafting 6'9 David Lee over 6'6 1/2 Ryan Gomes.
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7/8/2005  9:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

He an inch taller, but hes not longer, they have the same standing reach and Gomes has a 7-2 wingspan compared to Lee's 7-0

we already have guys who are grinders in JYD malik, I mean Gomes has pro skill sets he can shoot from 3 he has a great post up game, hes a good athlete, he played 4 years at the highest level facing double teams every night--he outweighs Lee by a good 10 pounds. Lee looks like he cant get his shot off in the SL--he shooting 20% he has no jumper--so what is his value to the Knicks with what we have?
well I think in part you answered your own question. Despite being younger we already have 2 grinders. Lee has struggled to get his shot so far but he's also shown a great motor on the glass, especially the offensive glass. He's also got a decent handle and the quickness to play some 3.
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7/8/2005  9:43 PM
You guys are being fooled by what you are seing out there in the SL. First of all, Marb will have a lot to do with the development of our youngins. He and along with Q will bring a lot out of our boys. We will be uptempo, and believe it or not, we will be a hell of a defensive team when the season starts. Just keep Herb out of the coaching squad and bring in Dirty, and everything will be just fine...
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7/8/2005  10:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that Gomes fell to 50 probably has something to do him being 6'6 and not considered a great athlete. No way he's an uptempo player, Lee can definatly be seen as such.

They both got the line the same number of times
Lee has a much better FG% over their college careers

so to answer your question "I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?"

Better athlete, better in space, taller/longer player, better fit for an uptempo squad.

If we hadn't picked Lee, he might have fallen to 50 or further- I know a lot of people talked about lee having played well, but a lot of players dropped.
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7/8/2005  10:15 PM
Lee has some projection to his offense. I would put him in the NBDL to work on being the first or second option.
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7/8/2005  11:00 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that Gomes fell to 50 probably has something to do him being 6'6 and not considered a great athlete. No way he's an uptempo player, Lee can definatly be seen as such.

They both got the line the same number of times
Lee has a much better FG% over their college careers

so to answer your question "I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?"

Better athlete, better in space, taller/longer player, better fit for an uptempo squad.

If we hadn't picked Lee, he might have fallen to 50 or further- I know a lot of people talked about lee having played well, but a lot of players dropped.

It was reported that the Celtics had interest in him since they didn't think they could get Green with their pick. That has to say something. Teams, like us, probably saw something in Lee we have yet to see in SL. You can't judge a player by only one SL game. If wou do you would have to sign Loren Woods to a Max contract. Even if he would've slipped, that doesn't mean his value is down. Look at Ginobili, he was picked very, very late in the draft and look what a great player he is now. Im sure if anyone knew how good he could be, they would've picked him in the first round...
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7/9/2005  11:20 AM
I think peole underestimate the ability to run the floor and do it well. Harold minor, remember him, the guy from USC the "baby Jordan"? well this guy had all the athleticism and hops and game, but was a bust on the pro level, the biggest knock on his game and this was pretty much from every GM in the league was that he could not run the floor well, was not effective in filling the lanes. That is huge espeically when you are a player that relies on athleticism. Lee has the athleticism and the key is he runs the floor as good as any man his size...
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7/9/2005  11:24 AM
yeah but JYD runs the floor well too. I think everyone expects Lee to be a good pro and not a complete bust. The question is will he give us more than JYD will? I guess its all good once you trade JYD and his contract but why could've had Blatche. Then we wouldn't be talking about acquiring Jerome James and Calvin Booth
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7/9/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah but JYD runs the floor well too. I think everyone expects Lee to be a good pro and not a complete bust. The question is will he give us more than JYD will? I guess its all good once you trade JYD and his contract but why could've had Blatche. Then we wouldn't be talking about acquiring Jerome James and Calvin Booth

yea guns, but the thing is JYD is not as tall or long as lee, JYD doesn't have this kids athleticism and lee is 10 years younger, and you are wrong about blatche, the knock on him is that he is a outside player despite his size, so had we gotten Blatche the need for jerome james or Booth would be even greater since Lee at least is a very good rebounder....
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7/9/2005  11:44 AM
sometimes there's just no explaining someone dropping in the draft. Just look at Gerald Green, he was expected to go top 10, and he ended up almost 10 spots after. When you look back on this draft, alot of GM's could be pounding their face in with their own fist.

Like I said, I've never seen a perfect draft. Guys go higher than they should, and guys drop when they probably shouldn't. You can only tell if it worked out a year or two from now.
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7/9/2005  11:46 AM
true at least Lee is a very good rebounder but JYD has been a very good rebounder his entire career also and who's to say the teenager Blatche won't get stronger and develope game inside
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7/9/2005  11:47 AM
MSG is going to show the knicks wizzards game tonight at 11pm, I was out partying last night so I might stay in tonight and watch this one, we will get to see lee go up against blatche. Should be fun to watch...
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7/9/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by tkf:

MSG is going to show the knicks wizzards game tonight at 11pm, I was out partying last night so I might stay in tonight and watch this one, we will get to see lee go up against blatche. Should be fun to watch...

fun indeed!
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7/9/2005  11:50 AM
Briggs, didn't you like the Lee pick? Now you have a problem with the Lee pick? Now Isiah and the Knicks made the pick for a "white quota?" Some of the stuff you say is just plain ... special.
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7/9/2005  11:51 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

true at least Lee is a very good rebounder but JYD has been a very good rebounder his entire career also and who's to say the teenager Blatche won't get stronger and develope game inside

guns. JYD is a good hustle guy, a little to short to play PF not really long, not really a good passer or ball handler.

Lee excells in the areas where JYD is weak, lee is a good passer, taller, longer, a better rebounder can handle the ball, and can finish over people, I saw lee get a pass go over a defender with a double pump dunk, over a guy, JYD will dunk when open but lets be real, physically he isn't the same player lee is, especially when you take lee's height into account..

And sure Blatche can get stronger and tougher develop an inside game, but so can lee, and lee can get a better jumper and handle, and when you add that to what he has already, all things being equal he still will be ahead of Blatche IMO, but that is just me...
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7/9/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by gunsnewing:

true at least Lee is a very good rebounder but JYD has been a very good rebounder his entire career also and who's to say the teenager Blatche won't get stronger and develope game inside

guns. JYD is a good hustle guy, a little to short to play PF not really long, not really a good passer or ball handler.

Lee excells in the areas where JYD is weak, lee is a good passer, taller, longer, a better rebounder can handle the ball, and can finish over people, I saw lee get a pass go over a defender with a double pump dunk, over a guy, JYD will dunk when open but lets be real, physically he isn't the same player lee is, especially when you take lee's height into account..

And sure Blatche can get stronger and tougher develop an inside game, but so can lee, and lee can get a better jumper and handle, and when you add that to what he has already, all things being equal he still will be ahead of Blatche IMO, but that is just me...

good points on Lee except he is not long at all. At best he's 6-8/6-9 like Jerome
I wonder what they saw in David lee that they didnt see in Ryan Gomes?

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