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djsunyc
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7/8/2005  10:07 AM
this is CRAZY. people posted about this already but y'all are already forming opinions of a guy after 2 SUMMER LEAGUE games. WOW. this is supposed to be a forum of "educated" fans and if we can't be patient with these guys, how in the hell do you expect the "regular" fan to be patient through a rebuild. no wonder everybody says you can't rebuild here. NUTS.
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7/8/2005  10:54 AM
you can learn a lot about a player, really by watching them 1nce or twice, but these guys have been around for years.

Frye will be OK. As long as they work on him with rebounding and making sure he stays away from the 20 ft range, there is no reason he cant be a 14-15-7 player. The thing with frye will be consistency and court discpline/focus.

Nate is a stud. hes still a little raw at the 1, but once he finds the balance between when to make a pass or when to look to score, he will be super, heck he has been super duper so far for the most part.
he really is a mini dwayne wade--and maybe he could possibly deserve more than the 10-12 minutes they had him slotted for. I can easily see this guy playing 20+minutes


Lee---Lee is a worker who has some athletic ability, but Im afraid that even though he has some nice intangibles, I see him struggling as a tweener 3-4. He is NOT 250 pounds like they have him listed --he weighed in at 229 and he doesnt have a jumper. that dreaded because when the players in the nBA are bigger than what he sees now. With no jumper, he may be exposed as to small with no real position.

Obviously this is game 2, and he can defintely be a scrapper, but I think we may have missed on an upside player here like a Blatche Ilic Taft. Some one said they think he can get 15 minutes in the pros, but frankly I'll ask where and over whom?
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7/8/2005  11:03 AM
I dont see Nate getting many more than 10-12 minutes per game. Passing isn't something you just pick up like that, it takes time to develop. Someone could say the same things you are saying about NATe, about Ben Gordon, and it is clear to me Ben Gordon does not have PG in his immediate future. Nate is a scorer who can get by his man at will, he will be impossible to guard, but he still has to learn how to be a pg, when to distribute and how to run NBA offensive plays/set/schemes and I haven't really seen a hint of that yet.
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7/8/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

you can learn a lot about a player, really by watching them 1nce or twice, but these guys have been around for years.

Frye will be OK. As long as they work on him with rebounding and making sure he stays away from the 20 ft range, there is no reason he cant be a 14-15-7 player. The thing with frye will be consistency and court discpline/focus.

Nate is a stud. hes still a little raw at the 1, but once he finds the balance between when to make a pass or when to look to score, he will be super, heck he has been super duper so far for the most part.
he really is a mini dwayne wade--and maybe he could possibly deserve more than the 10-12 minutes they had him slotted for. I can easily see this guy playing 20+minutes


Lee---Lee is a worker who has some athletic ability, but Im afraid that even though he has some nice intangibles, I see him struggling as a tweener 3-4. He is NOT 250 pounds like they have him listed --he weighed in at 229 and he doesnt have a jumper. that dreaded because when the players in the nBA are bigger than what he sees now. With no jumper, he may be exposed as to small with no real position.

Obviously this is game 2, and he can defintely be a scrapper, but I think we may have missed on an upside player here like a Blatche Ilic Taft. Some one said they think he can get 15 minutes in the pros, but frankly I'll ask where and over whom?

I agree with 2 out of 3 assessments. I think David Lee is going to be fine. He has shown good instincts on the boards and just seems a little lost playing the SF spot. It is only 2 summer league games, I think his shot will fall.
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7/8/2005  11:27 AM
Though he hasn't been netting a lot of assists, I think Nate Robinson is definitely PG material. He gets the ball up the court, he doesn't hold on to the ball too long, passes right away, gets the ball moving, and makes plays. He doesn't come across as a ball hog because something is always happening when the ball is in his hands. Too many statistically great PGs (*cough Marbury*) go through short phases of the game when they're dribbling too much and the offensive gets stagnant.

I think fans tend to put too much emphasis on assist numbers in judging the effectiveness of a PG. I'm going to bold and say this--- Robinson could become an all-star player in the NBA if he's given starter minutes. On this season's Knicks team, he may not have that opportunity, but things have a way of working themselves out, perhaps through injury of Crawford/Marbury or trade.
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7/8/2005  12:09 PM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/25853.htm

this pretty much says it on frye. aguirre seems real excited to get to work on him, says his shortcomings are normal for the transition to the pros and can be worked on well before the season starts. remember, frye's had less than a week with the knicks staff so far. i'm interested in how our summer league team does, but not going to read too much into it.
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7/8/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by BRIGGS:

you can learn a lot about a player, really by watching them 1nce or twice, but these guys have been around for years.

Frye will be OK. As long as they work on him with rebounding and making sure he stays away from the 20 ft range, there is no reason he cant be a 14-15-7 player. The thing with frye will be consistency and court discpline/focus.

Nate is a stud. hes still a little raw at the 1, but once he finds the balance between when to make a pass or when to look to score, he will be super, heck he has been super duper so far for the most part.
he really is a mini dwayne wade--and maybe he could possibly deserve more than the 10-12 minutes they had him slotted for. I can easily see this guy playing 20+minutes


Lee---Lee is a worker who has some athletic ability, but Im afraid that even though he has some nice intangibles, I see him struggling as a tweener 3-4. He is NOT 250 pounds like they have him listed --he weighed in at 229 and he doesnt have a jumper. that dreaded because when the players in the nBA are bigger than what he sees now. With no jumper, he may be exposed as to small with no real position.

Obviously this is game 2, and he can defintely be a scrapper, but I think we may have missed on an upside player here like a Blatche Ilic Taft. Some one said they think he can get 15 minutes in the pros, but frankly I'll ask where and over whom?

I agree with 2 out of 3 assessments. I think David Lee is going to be fine. He has shown good instincts on the boards and just seems a little lost playing the SF spot. It is only 2 summer league games, I think his shot will fall.

I think that Lee is supposed to be some kind of scrapper type, but without a jumpshot and being undersized or playing out of your real position makes it very tough. Im looking at our roster and I dont see even a scintilla of a chance that he is going to see reg minutes this year unless injury.
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7/8/2005  12:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by BRIGGS:

you can learn a lot about a player, really by watching them 1nce or twice, but these guys have been around for years.

Frye will be OK. As long as they work on him with rebounding and making sure he stays away from the 20 ft range, there is no reason he cant be a 14-15-7 player. The thing with frye will be consistency and court discpline/focus.

Nate is a stud. hes still a little raw at the 1, but once he finds the balance between when to make a pass or when to look to score, he will be super, heck he has been super duper so far for the most part.
he really is a mini dwayne wade--and maybe he could possibly deserve more than the 10-12 minutes they had him slotted for. I can easily see this guy playing 20+minutes


Lee---Lee is a worker who has some athletic ability, but Im afraid that even though he has some nice intangibles, I see him struggling as a tweener 3-4. He is NOT 250 pounds like they have him listed --he weighed in at 229 and he doesnt have a jumper. that dreaded because when the players in the nBA are bigger than what he sees now. With no jumper, he may be exposed as to small with no real position.

Obviously this is game 2, and he can defintely be a scrapper, but I think we may have missed on an upside player here like a Blatche Ilic Taft. Some one said they think he can get 15 minutes in the pros, but frankly I'll ask where and over whom?

I agree with 2 out of 3 assessments. I think David Lee is going to be fine. He has shown good instincts on the boards and just seems a little lost playing the SF spot. It is only 2 summer league games, I think his shot will fall.

I think that Lee is supposed to be some kind of scrapper type, but without a jumpshot and being undersized or playing out of your real position makes it very tough. Im looking at our roster and I dont see even a scintilla of a chance that he is going to see reg minutes this year unless injury.

right he's too similar to JYD. I wish we had drafted Blatche or Taft. It would've kinda made it worth giving up Nazr's tradeable contract for
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7/8/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

you can learn a lot about a player, really by watching them 1nce or twice, but these guys have been around for years.

Frye will be OK. As long as they work on him with rebounding and making sure he stays away from the 20 ft range, there is no reason he cant be a 14-15-7 player. The thing with frye will be consistency and court discpline/focus.

Nate is a stud. hes still a little raw at the 1, but once he finds the balance between when to make a pass or when to look to score, he will be super, heck he has been super duper so far for the most part.
he really is a mini dwayne wade--and maybe he could possibly deserve more than the 10-12 minutes they had him slotted for. I can easily see this guy playing 20+minutes


Lee---Lee is a worker who has some athletic ability, but Im afraid that even though he has some nice intangibles, I see him struggling as a tweener 3-4. He is NOT 250 pounds like they have him listed --he weighed in at 229 and he doesnt have a jumper. that dreaded because when the players in the nBA are bigger than what he sees now. With no jumper, he may be exposed as to small with no real position.

Obviously this is game 2, and he can defintely be a scrapper, but I think we may have missed on an upside player here like a Blatche Ilic Taft. Some one said they think he can get 15 minutes in the pros, but frankly I'll ask where and over whom?

Great post, I think I agree with you on all points, maybe not as much with David Lee but I do think he's going to struggle a bit in the beginning but once he finds his position and how he can be effective against other people he's playing against, I think you'll find him very effective out there. I agree 100% about Frye and Nate though. Knicks should be very solid this year.
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7/8/2005  12:44 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

(regarding Lee)
right he's too similar to JYD. I wish we had drafted Blatche or Taft. It would've kinda made it worth giving up Nazr's tradeable contract for

The difference is that Lee is younger, hungrier and probably more athletic at this stage than JYD. Couple that with the difference in the price of their contracts and that pretty much says JYD should be on the block. Granted JYD has veteran leadership/savvy/blah blah, but we definitely don't need both Rose and JYD on the roster.

Lee should be some rough approximation of Shane Battier (w/o the 3pt range) when it's all said and done...
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7/9/2005  3:35 PM
Argh, You are all crazy when it comes to Frye. Has the fact that he couldnt average even 8 rebounds as a senior at Arizona slide by everyone? How is he gonna get 15 rebounds a game?? 7 assists? Only PF/C in the top 40 in the nba was garnett, and even he didnt average 7.
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7/9/2005  3:39 PM
Posted by JYD31:

Argh, You are all crazy when it comes to Frye. Has the fact that he couldnt average even 8 rebounds as a senior at Arizona slide by everyone? How is he gonna get 15 rebounds a game?? 7 assists? Only PF/C in the top 40 in the nba was garnett, and even he didnt average 7.

who said Frye could average 15rebs and 7asts? maybe he meant 15pts, 7rebs...
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7/9/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by JYD31:

Argh, You are all crazy when it comes to Frye. Has the fact that he couldnt average even 8 rebounds as a senior at Arizona slide by everyone? How is he gonna get 15 rebounds a game?? 7 assists? Only PF/C in the top 40 in the nba was garnett, and even he didnt average 7.


i'm lovin the sarcasm.



and if you're being serious - he meant 15 p. and 7 boards.



but i'm pretty sure you were bein sarcastic.
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7/9/2005  7:18 PM
the lee pick was Isiah just taking the BPA or player he liked the most. I think once he got pick 21 the agenda was upgrade 1 and 5. After he did that he just took the guy he liked the most at 30. He could have picked ANYONE there with no pressure but he chose Lee. We know he worked out Taft, Blatch, Gomes and the other suspects, so I just give Isiah the benefit of the doubt based on his draft history.
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