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BRIGGS
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7/8/2005  9:33 AM
it comes down to a decision amongst three, talking about hunter, james and Swift

If anyone remembers Stromile had a run two years ago of 9 20-10 games in a row, including one here at the Garden. He's definitely the best shot blocker of the 3 IMHO, and while he doesnt have the girth of James, he's younger and I think he should fit much better. He has the most physical talent in terms of running rebounding shot blocking ability to score points.

I dont think Hunter has enough pure skill to get 40mm$ and James is to much of a risk to fold tent. And while Swift is still an enigma, he's young-25 he is a superior athlete for his size, he seems like a real good kid and has the most physical talent.

Now that doesnt make us huge, but I think with Swift, we become an immediate playof team for sure. If you consider Swift Frye, Sweetney Taylor--that stacks up pretty good in the east for sure. To bad we couldnt get that injury exemption for houston.
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7/8/2005  9:47 AM
I am really not a big fan of Swift, his offensive game is still liomited to dunks and put backs. I'd like to have him but at 8-9 million hes a little pricey don't you think? I don't think his addition makes us a playoff team either. I don't think any of thoses guys make us a playoff team. I think we could get similar production from Hunter for much much cheaper.
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7/8/2005  9:51 AM
I would like to have James because he brings things that Frye doesn't have. He is a good big who could assist in getting Frye prepared in dealing with more physical opponets. He would also be a change of pace from what Frye brings. If Frye is finese then this guy is definitely a banger.
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7/8/2005  9:53 AM
Posted by JesseDark:

I would like to have James because he brings things that Frye doesn't have. He is a good big who could assist in getting Frye prepared in dealing with more physical opponets. He would also be a change of pace from what Frye brings. If Frye is finese then this guy is definitely a banger.
Yeah he would probably be best for Fyes development. Going against James everyday in practice would have to prepare Frye for some of the bigger NBA centers. I haven't heard his name mentioned tho.
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7/8/2005  9:53 AM
Swift has some upside. James doesn't. Hunter, I dunno ... maybe a little. So I agree with Briggs that Swift's the one I'd go after of the three.

But none of these guys will make a huge difference. None of them fills our hole at center.

We need to make a trade to get a player who will have a serious impact. So I'm not convinced we should go after any of them. I'd rather make the trade first and then see where we have a need. And if that means not using the mid-level this year because the trade can't be made until near the deadline, so be it. At least we won't have locked up another overpriced contract.
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7/8/2005  9:54 AM
I don't agree with you Killa, Hunter is much worse then Swift.

Hunter is way overhyped on this board. If you actually look at his stats, they havent really improved from the time he was a total bust in Orlando and was cut by the Cavs.

He has always been able to block shots, and thats all he did for the Suns. He is not a goo defender, and his offensive game is limited to point blank dunks.

He is rail thin, is unable to run any plays due to being really dumb, or having ADD, you pick what it is, but there are rumors of both.

Swift on the other hand is a guy who can rebound well, block shots much better then Hunter, and is just a better all around player.

So I don't think its accurate to say that Hunter and Swift are the same thing.

I do agree that we are not a playoff team w/ or w/out Swift. We are just bad right now. No one player will save us unless he is Garnett or somebody like that.

[Edited by - simrud on 07/08/2005 09:54:33]
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7/8/2005  9:56 AM
Posted by JesseDark:

I would like to have James because he brings things that Frye doesn't have. He is a good big who could assist in getting Frye prepared in dealing with more physical opponets. He would also be a change of pace from what Frye brings. If Frye is finese then this guy is definitely a banger.

Im not worried about Frye banging in practice. Id rather have the most talent for my money. James had a nice run in the playoffs, but to gamble huge money on him is crazy. I think Seattle drafting two young C B-B should tell you how they feel about him.
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7/8/2005  9:58 AM
swift has skills but i'm worried about putting together talent with no type of brainpower.

he's definitely help but to what extent? i know you have to get good before you become great but swift himself said it's all about the $$$'s, so how much is that? $7/8/9 a year? atlanta will overpay for him b/c they are DESPERATE.

but of those you mentioned - swift is by far the best fit for us. forget hunter - i'm not a huge fan b/c he will command almost $5 mil a year after the scalaweenie incident.
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7/8/2005  10:08 AM
looking at Lee and Frye, I see no reason why we should sign anybody for more than the 5.1 million MLE.

If they don't want to come and his name isn't shaq or Yao, why tie up someone in a long term deal?

If they want to come, sign a one year deal and then we'll see what you can do...I really liked what I saw and what i'm seeing...we have a good core of youth coming down the pike...if any (and I mean ANY) of our projected opening day starters isn't doing their job, we've got a deep bench to step it up...our Summer league team with Rose/JYD/MoT can step up big for anybody...

Can swift be had for the MLE?
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7/8/2005  10:26 AM
IF the question is, which of these guys would you like for the MLE, then yeah, I'd take Swift for the full MLE over James for a 3 year MLE or Hunter for a portion of the MLE (Hunter for the full MLE is crazy- he should start at 3mm tops)But as others have said, Swift may be out of reach for the MLE. Atlanta and possibly Charlotte could throw 7/8/9 million at him. If we have to S/T to get him, what incentive does Memphis have to deal with us? You guessed it, our ability to take back BAD contracts, and give them expiring ones As we did with Crawford last year, taking back JYD was the only incentive Chicago had for dealing with us. It would be an identical situation here.

Then the question becomes: would you like Hunter or James for the MLE or Swift in a S/T at 8mm plus take on J. Williams or Cardinal and give up TT or Penny in the deal?

I'd take Hunter or James if that was the case
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7/8/2005  10:30 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

looking at Lee and Frye, I see no reason why we should sign anybody for more than the 5.1 million MLE.

If they don't want to come and his name isn't shaq or Yao, why tie up someone in a long term deal?

If they want to come, sign a one year deal and then we'll see what you can do...I really liked what I saw and what i'm seeing...we have a good core of youth coming down the pike...if any (and I mean ANY) of our projected opening day starters isn't doing their job, we've got a deep bench to step it up...our Summer league team with Rose/JYD/MoT can step up big for anybody...

Can swift be had for the MLE?
RV, lets deal with reality here. No one in the NBA is coming here and signing for 1 year, unless they only have 1 year left in their career like Damon Stoudamire or Nick Van Exel.

And hell no he can't be had the MLE. He is gonna get about 8-9 million, thats almost twice the MLE.
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7/8/2005  10:34 AM
I would LOVE to get Swift, I've been assuming someone would offer him more than the MLE though. Maybe the Knicks can do a S&T with Memphis, but I don't see it. I've loved Swift for years - the only thing that scares is low bball IQ. But he has everything else in spades.

I just think when it comes down to it - the two centers we can afford are Jerome James and Stephen Hunter. In that case - I completely agree with your take on James - sign Hunter. 4 years, $14 million, or slightly more per year than Veal Scalabrine got, should be good. They may have to go more like 4 yrs $16 million, but with Phoenix dealing with a max offer to JJ, I don't think they match....also, I don't think they CAN. Rumor has it they used their MLE on Raja Bell and they'll use their cap room on JJ.
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7/8/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by simrud:

I don't agree with you Killa, Hunter is much worse then Swift.

much better then Hunter, and is just a better all around player.

So I don't think its accurate to say that Hunter and Swift are the same thing.
I didn't say the same I said similar, I acknowledge Swift is better than Hunter, but he might be almost 3 times more expensive and hes not 3 times better. Hunter can give us similar shotblocking, for cheap money. And like someone else said, it might take a S & T to get Swift and we'd have to take a bad contract back. Its not worth it for swift. For Pau, KG, Dalembert yes, Swift no.
I do agree that we are not a playoff team w/ or w/out Swift. We are just bad right now. No one player will save us unless he is Garnett or somebody like that.
I don't agree we are bad. We are a better team than least year and we are at least a .500 team now, and you already know another move or two is coming before the season starts.
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7/8/2005  10:38 AM
I think you need to Kwame Brown's name to the trio of Swift, James and Hunter as someone Isiah is looking at strongly.
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7/8/2005  10:39 AM
Swift is not worth the money he will command; we have enough undersized players.

Personally, I just want to see them sign Hunter/James --hell any serviceable big. Tim and Penny will be able to nab someone nice at the trading deadline.
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7/8/2005  10:44 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I don't agree we are bad. We are a better team than least year and we are at least a .500 team now, and you already know another move or two is coming before the season starts.

i don't think we're a .500 RIGHT NOW. we lost kurt and nazr and replaced them with frye and more sweets. that front court WILL NOT win in the nba. we upped the backcourt but the frontcourt is still CRAZY weak. you're right, there will be more moves to come, but if we entered the season with this roster, then sweets would be our center and rose would be our PF with frye off the bench. we'll see where we are come september.
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7/8/2005  10:48 AM
Not that I have anything against Jerome James, but i'm just a little curious as to why most people on these boards are getting open about him? Although, he fits the mold for SIZE.. He doesn't fit in an uptempo style of play. This is a guy who has been inconsistant his entire career.

Why not push for the better player in Ilgauskas??? Most people on this forum point to either his past foot injuries or his age.. but thats crazy, because those same people who are so quick to point out his age, are craving for Jerome James??? Both are 30.

I'd rather have Swift as well.. but we do need a true center, and if i'm going for a complete package I'd take Big Z over any of the other's anyday. IMO
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7/8/2005  11:00 AM
Naz would have allowed us to really make a nice sign and trade, and not be stuck with Malik Rose, that one ranks in the dumb isiah moves hall of fame

There are 1000s david lee's out there so their is no way to justify it
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7/8/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by MS:

Naz would have allowed us to really make a nice sign and trade, and not be stuck with Malik Rose, that one ranks in the dumb isiah moves hall of fame

There are 1000s david lee's out there so their is no way to justify it

We wouldn't have ended up w/ David Lee #30
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