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BRIGGS
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7/7/2005  9:17 PM
I think that is important.
Frye's best assets are his length and touch
Keeping him within 12 feet of the basket is important.
this stuff about rasheed wallace should be thrown out the window, we dont need our 6-11 player shooting 20 footers UNLESS he has spotted up and is wide open.

Keeping him closer to the basket where he can post up, use mid range jumpers and jump hooks is important and will also help him get into better rebounding position.

they also need to tell him to always use two hands on the rebound and be cognizant of boxing his man out.

Hes our picka dn our player so we should put him in best position to succeed.

One of his biggest problems in college was drifting in the game and out to the perimeter.

By imposing a 12 foot boundry, that keeps him in play. Either stay within the boundry or sit down.

this worked very well for Charlie V. When he came to UC, he was undisciplined and would drift out to the perimeter, but his best play came when he was able to use his size and great touch at the basket.

I see the same thing with CV. I dont even think there is a great disperity between the players, they actually look quite the same in their games.

We can even use 4 guards at times with frye in the box to give him space.
What he needs to do is define his position and stay away from the deep perimeter. Then using his best asset, his very nice touch, he should be able to do some damage.

If the Knicks coaches allow him to float, then there will be many games that look like this

4-11 shooting 11 points 4 rebounds 28 minutes

if we keep him inside 12 feet he should be able to do more of this


6-11 3-4 15 points 8 rebounds 1 block in 32 minutes

that will keep his FG% rebounding and focus higher
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7/7/2005  10:48 PM
I agree with some of your assessments. I watched him and saw little improvement in his rebounding technique but I did hear Johnny Hoops talking how Aguire is working with him to improve his technique for rebounding and getting to his position. To me this way too soon to have a SL, these guys had like a whole 3 days to pratice under pro coaching. Nate is still playing as a 2 guard, just chucking balls.
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7/8/2005  12:02 AM
Briggs.. some really good stuff in this article. Aguirre talks about what Channing needs to learn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/08/sports/basketball/08knicks.html
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7/8/2005  12:24 AM
Posted by rain:

Briggs.. some really good stuff in this article. Aguirre talks about what Channing needs to learn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/08/sports/basketball/08knicks.html

Thanx Rain.

If Frye is dilligent in his persuit to get better and better then he has my total support. I won't presecute him the whole time he works on his game.

Also, 6 rebounds in 21 minutes is respectable for now. If he plays 30 min. per this season, at that rate, he'd average close to 10 rebounds per. Not bad.
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7/8/2005  12:34 AM
Frye stayed mostly inside on offense today, Briggs. But I think overlooking his ability to pick and pop with Steph or Jamal or heck, Nate at this point, is overlooking a big plus he can give you. He can really shoot for a big man. But he hit the offensive glass today, so hopefully he can pick his spots for the jumper and mix it up inside. We certainly need him in the middle on D.
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7/8/2005  12:38 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye stayed mostly inside on offense today, Briggs. But I think overlooking his ability to pick and pop with Steph or Jamal or heck, Nate at this point, is overlooking a big plus he can give you. He can really shoot for a big man. But he hit the offensive glass today, so hopefully he can pick his spots for the jumper and mix it up inside. We certainly need him in the middle on D.

Kurt did that and more, he brought toughness and I was never a Kurt fan
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7/8/2005  12:58 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye stayed mostly inside on offense today, Briggs. But I think overlooking his ability to pick and pop with Steph or Jamal or heck, Nate at this point, is overlooking a big plus he can give you. He can really shoot for a big man. But he hit the offensive glass today, so hopefully he can pick his spots for the jumper and mix it up inside. We certainly need him in the middle on D.

Kurt did that and more, he brought toughness and I was never a Kurt fan

Dude, seriously, it's time to move on. The draft happened, we can't go back. Why play the what if game? There's three promising rookies right in front of you. Enjoy them for what they are. If you really like Green and Bynum that much, the Celtics and Lakers are just a league pass away - the Celtics and Lakers even have Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant, talented wing players that many teams passed on to draft low-ceiling big men. k?
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7/8/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye stayed mostly inside on offense today, Briggs. But I think overlooking his ability to pick and pop with Steph or Jamal or heck, Nate at this point, is overlooking a big plus he can give you. He can really shoot for a big man. But he hit the offensive glass today, so hopefully he can pick his spots for the jumper and mix it up inside. We certainly need him in the middle on D.

Kurt did that and more, he brought toughness and I was never a Kurt fan

Dude, seriously, it's time to move on. The draft happened, we can't go back. Why play the what if game? There's three promising rookies right in front of you. Enjoy them for what they are. If you really like Green and Bynum that much, the Celtics and Lakers are just a league pass away - the Celtics and Lakers even have Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant, talented wing players that many teams passed on to draft low-ceiling big men. k?

and I will move on once the season starts until then we only have summerleague to go by
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7/8/2005  1:36 AM
Look, if Frye can draw enough fouls to go 10-10 from the line (or even 6-6!), I think that'll be good production. For him to score 14 points on 5 shots is great.

I don't think you could expect 10rpg on a nightly basis from him at this stage of development-- play to his strengths and hope the rest of his game comes along.

This is summer league, after all. He more or less neutralized Dwight Howard (#1 overall pick, 2004)... all night.
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7/8/2005  1:46 AM
I hope people notice the part about Pac 10 officiating in the Frye article.
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7/8/2005  1:49 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I hope people notice the part about Pac 10 officiating in the Frye article.

the part about calling a cleaner game? why?
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7/8/2005  2:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by PhilinLA:

I hope people notice the part about Pac 10 officiating in the Frye article.

the part about calling a cleaner game? why?

Because he isn't used to the way players get position in the NBA though physical contact. What was called a foul in the Pac 10 isn't a foul in the NBA. To the contrary, the failure to be physical reduces a player's effectiveness.

[Edited by - Rich on 07/08/2005 02:03:13]
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7/8/2005  2:35 AM
More:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/25853.htm

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"In the NBA you're allowed to push grab hold, fight, you got to have an out for it, a counter, if you played in college, you don't have that, it's going to be difficult," Aguirre said. "But believe me he can play."

Frye knows he must adjust. "Coming from the Pac-10, they keep it clean," he said. "It's a lot more physical. It's not a big deal but there are little things need to learn just haven't been taught."
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7/8/2005  2:36 AM
Another point about the summer league, its a guards league.. long shots = long rebounds. I haven't seen any huge rebounding games from anyone yet. Except guards that is.

[Edited by - rain on 07/08/2005 02:37:19]
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7/8/2005  4:09 AM
This is a very good thread. A number of nice points by different posters and it's really just begun.

1) Combining points made by Briggs and crzymdups, we might conclude that Frye should stay inside of 12 feet, except when coming out a little to work the pick and role with Steph, Jamal or Nate.

2) technomaster point about Frye drawing fouls is significant. The ability to go to the line and shoot fouls well is an underappreciated skill.

3) Rich and Phil's point regarding Frye's need to adjust to the way calls are made in the nba and what you need to do to adjust is encouraging. I'm glad he's picking up on this early. He is an intelligent player.

4) Other Aguirre quotes in the linked NY Times article -
"I really can't wait to get in the gym with him," Aguirre said. "I like what he is now. He doesn't know the N.B.A. game. He doesn't know leverage yet, he doesn't know angles yet, he doesn't know how to lock people yet. And that's all things that you have to know. And he doesn't know that yet. But he will." and "He's strong enough at this point where he can be effective on the post," Aguirre said. "He's just got to learn how to do it."

I'm starting to think that I may have been too tough on Frye before the draft. I'm looking forward to see how he develops. Rebounding is a big key for me right now, because on this team we lost two good rebounders from last season in Kurt and Nazr. We may also lose a third good rebounder in Sweetney.

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