If we're going to make this team a running, Phoenix East team... then lets do it the best we can. Marbury is going to look slow on this team, really slow. If you want to keep a marquee player then trade him for Iverson or Stevie Franchise. Marbs is NYC but we're trying to turn into Phoenix, he is not fast enough to set up Ariza, Crawford, Q, Nate, or even Timmy for that matter.

Telfair, Harris, Ford, Heinrich, these are the handful of guys who are as fast as this team wants to be. If we can get one and save money, sign me up.

My ideal (realistic) 05-06 Kincks team
5- Frye, Rose
4- Swift, JYD
3- Ariza, Timmy
2- Q, Crawford
1- Harris, Nate (Marbs, Sweets, traded for Harris, KVH and #1)
Coach: McMillan

That would be the fastest team in the league by far and much better defensively than last year. Run&Gun might not win a championship but at least its a philosophy instead of what we've seen post Camby.

there is a reason there are no replies...holiday weekend and any roster prefaced with 'ideal' has marbs.

ideal 05/06 roster
marbury, Q, artest, frye, kwame
bench/future ;)
ariza, nate, lee, swift, crawford


[Edited by - rvhoss on 07/03/2005 08:47:41]

Posted by JohnWallace44:

If we're going to make this team a running, Phoenix East team... then lets do it the best we can. Marbury is going to look slow on this team, really slow. If you want to keep a marquee player then trade him for Iverson or Stevie Franchise. Marbs is NYC but we're trying to turn into Phoenix, he is not fast enough to set up Ariza, Crawford, Q, Nate, or even Timmy for that matter.

Telfair, Harris, Ford, Heinrich, these are the handful of guys who are as fast as this team wants to be. If we can get one and save money, sign me up.

My ideal (realistic) 05-06 Kincks team
5- Frye, Rose
4- Swift, JYD
3- Ariza, Timmy
2- Q, Crawford
1- Harris, Nate (Marbs, Sweets, traded for Harris, KVH and #1)
Coach: McMillan

That would be the fastest team in the league by far and much better defensively than last year. Run&Gun might not win a championship but at least its a philosophy instead of what we've seen post Camby.

Ok, so in your ideal lineup you have Marbury traded when he clearly is fast enough for this team and he is finally closer to have a talented team with which he could finally win. This idea you have that all of a sudden Marb is slow is really far from reality. (Ohh, and lets not forget, you trade Marbury AND Sweetney in the Dallas trade. Great!) You then suddenly forget we still have Penny and Mo T on the team. Oh, and you have a 6'4"-6'6" as your only backup C? Far from ideal...

Posted by gunsnewing:

its not just about being fast. Its a mentality. Steph has a halfcourt mentality and our starting frontcourt should be our 2nd unit. We need a dominant frontcourt player to start with Marbury that way we get the most out of Marbury and actally win games. What a concept! actually win more than 30games with a real frontcourt!

Steph was running plenty in Phoenix and in Jersey.

He's fast enoguh and furthermore, Zeke is not trying to make us the SUns of the east. 1. we have no Amare, 2. That style of play has never won a championship and he is trying to buiild a contender. Young and athletic doesn't mean running and gunning for 48 minutes, but its gives you the versatility to change tempo and so forth.

I understand that it doesn't happen overnight but if we want to play at that level we have to trade some of these guys. Hopefully we somehow land a dominant or close to dominating frontcourt player for TT & Penny despite it being a longshot. Or we have to consider trading Marbury and/Crawford for young players and high draft picks so we can draft the next big star!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/03/2005 13:17:37]

but change the pace from what? I could understand if we we had a dominate starting frontcourt/halfcourt lineup but we don't. We still dont have an identity. We're not a good halfcourt team nor are we the phoenix suns. Our PFs are all slow with the exception of JYD who's extremely limited and David Lee. Not very comforting and our most dominant bigman inside is problably the 300lb Sweetney who can stay on the floor


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/03/2005 14:04:51]

Posted by Marv:

Guns, I'm just curious - did passing on Bynum totally sour you on this team? If we had chosen him, would you have a generally optimistic view now?

not just Bynum but Green, Granger & Graham were there to be had and we passed up on all 3. I feel like all this effort put into this this horrific season was all for nothing. I'm very disappointed especially since I;m hearing that we are still looking for a 7 footer. I thought we drafted Channing Frye 8th overall to be that guy!

why couldn't we just draft the best player available and then worry about trading crawford, TT, Penny, Sweetney & Co for good frontcourt player and a 7 footer?! I'm definitely not looking forward to another 30win season and another 7-10 draft pick and yet another safe draft pick to add to our core of overpaid role players.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/03/2005 14:08:30]

Posted by Marv:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Marv:

Guns, I'm just curious - did passing on Bynum totally sour you on this team? If we had chosen him, would you have a generally optimistic view now?

not just Bynum but Green, Granger & Graham were there to be had and we passed up on all 3. I feel like all this effort put into this this horrific season was all for nothing. I'm very disappointed especially since I;m hearing that we are still looking for a 7 footer. I thought we drafted Channing Frye 8th overall to be that guy!

why couldn't we just draft the best player available and then worry about trading crawford, TT, Penny, Sweetney & Co for good frontcourt player and a 7 footer?! I'm definitely not looking forward to another 30win season and another 7-10 draft pick and yet another safe draft pick to add to our core of overpaid role players.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/03/2005 14:08:30]

Okay. Understood. I'm definitely not interested in reopening pre-draft debates - I was just curious.

right its too late for that. we just have to hope that jerome james signs with us so that we can ensure 40wins and not 39 and another late lottery pick. Since I don't see us adding any legitimate frontcourt presence like kwame, swift, chandler, sar, wilcox, boozer, randolph.

hopefully jerome james, gadzuric & hunter are the answer

I don't know why you guys all want Kwame. IMO he's a lazy player with no offensive game. The guy has been a bust. His own team wants nothing to do with him yet everyone is going nuts over him. He's like Joe Smith. I'd rather get a guy like Steven Hunter or Reggie Evans.

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Posted by rvhoss:

there is a reason there are no replies...holiday weekend and any roster prefaced with 'ideal' has marbs.

ideal 05/06 roster
marbury, Q, artest, frye, kwame
bench/future ;)
ariza, nate, lee, swift, crawford


[Edited by - rvhoss on 07/03/2005 08:47:41]

What would Swift do on your proposed team that he hasn't done with the young athletic team that he just came from? We need the offense to actually move. Unless Marbury is in the mood to slash through the D, he's not worth what were paying. The trade for Harris and KVH puts us years ahead in the cap situation. If that trade went through our highest paid player after next year would be Mo T. Then we could actually get a big name player instead of just flirting with them.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by MX25:

I don't know why you guys all want Kwame. IMO he's a lazy player with no offensive game. The guy has been a bust. His own team wants nothing to do with him yet everyone is going nuts over him. He's like Joe Smith. I'd rather get a guy like Steven Hunter or Reggie Evans.

what do we got to lose a 300LB Sweetney and JYD? its worth the gamble

Man, poor Sweetney! Even at 300LB as you say, he was our best post up player. What if he is indeed working out wit Aguirre or whoever else and getting his body straight? He would be such a good player! Though I hope Sweetney comes into better shape next season, sometimes a 300LB Sweetney was better than Eddie Curry, for example.

If he comes in NBA shape, even a pessimist has to admitt that he is a very good low post presence...