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Killa4luv
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7/2/2005  7:50 PM
Why the NBDL should be nationally televised.
By Alex Labidou
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jun 30, 2005, 20:46



With David Stern planning to make the NBDL more like the baseball farm system (read Bill Ingram's chat with David Stern), the future of the NBA looks amazingly bright. The rules behind the minors is that teams now have the ability to place their players within their first 2 years into the minor league system. Imagine if the Nuggets had a minor league when they drafted Skita, maybe the confidence that a minor league instills. Furthermore, free agents can sign with minor league teams to get their names out there. So for example lets say Jay Williams wants to return into the NBA, he can now sign with a minor league team to get his name out and prove that he is capable of playing in the NBA. Instead of waiting for garbage time to play, a player like Jonathan Bender (if he agrees to it) can show that he was worth a lottery selection a couple of seasons ago. With all the big names that might be involved with the NBDL, I thought to myself, "Wow this might actually be entertaining to watch." Think about all the big name college players, European guys, and high school kids are going to playing with the highest level of competitive nature. These guys aren't just playing anymore to honor their contracts or to prove to a team that they are worth a look, these guys are playing to become steady contributors in the NBA. If they don't make in the NBDL, where are they going to make it? GMs, scouts will all be looking for hidden gems, so each player will play with tenacity. With that in mind, the NBDL might actually be more entertaining than the NBA (ok maybe I am going a little too far with this one).

To show how capable of league the NBDL could be, here is an example of what a nationally televised game could be like.

Announcer 1:Today on ESPN, the Boston Celtics minor team will face off with the Lakers minor league team. We have a bunch of future all star and big time college players on both teams, this should be an entertaining match up. The Celtics feature their young backcourt of recently signed Dajuan Wagner and Gerald Green, who was recently sent down because of the surplus the Celtics have at shooting guard. While Dajuan Wagner wasn't able to catch on with the Cavs, he has been amazing on the Celtics minor league team averaging almost 32 points per game and also adding 5.0 assist per game. Once again, his future seems bright again. Gerald Green has been on tear recently and has shown many scouts while they were wrong in overlooking him. In addition Kendrick Perkins to get some extra playing time has requested to be sent down. He and Ryan Gomes have been an amazing front court that is dominant on the boards and low post scoring.

Announcer 2: Yes the Celtics NBDL squad is a very well rounded group, lets not forget their bench which features Marcus Banks who also agreed to be sent down for some playing time. This team has been unstoppable and averaging almost a 105 points per game. But they are going to have their troubles against the Lakers.

Announcer 1: While the Celtics are a fast break, slashing type of offensive team; the Lakers are a gritty defensive team. It all started when the Lakers were searching all over for a servable point guard. Unable to add a starting point through the draft and in free agency, the Lakers had to look for alternative options. Wow were they lucky to bump into former Duke Blue Devil Jay Williams, who had progressed amazingly into recovery. Many predicted he would never play again. He might not be as fast as he once was, but in his off time he developed a reliable jump shot and worked on his passing ability. The result: Jay Williams is now averaging 23 points per game while have a 7 to 2 assist to turnover ratio! He is the vibrant leader of this Laker squad, but there are other parts that make this Laker team very deadly. Swingmen Sasha Vujacic and Von Wafer provide an very reliable inside/outside combo, and recently Laker lottery pick Andrew Bynum has been nothing short of amazing this year. The Lakers will have a new name to their historic pivots, and I predict that Andrew Bynum will be that person. He is swift, and a monster on the boards while he struggled early on, he now averages 14 boards a night.

Announcer 2: Its just a matter of time when that kid gets called up, he's that amazing!

Announcer 1: In any case, this seems to be a good match up, and we'll be back to recap the game at the end of the 4th quarter.

End of the game.

Announcer 1: Wow what an amazing game! The Celtics power forward Ryan Gomes hit an amazing 3 point shot to win the game for the Celtics 104-102.

Announcer 2: Who would have ever thought that Ryan Gomes would hit that 3 point shot.

Announcer 1: Actually earlier in Gomes college career, Gomes came in as a swingman and had a range in shot. Providence needed an inside presence so they switched Gomes into a power forward.

Announcer 2: To show how much Dajuan Wagner has matured as a player, he was the one who set up Gomes with the open look.

Announcer 1: I know! Earlier in his career, that play he made would have been a turnover or a bad shot. Now Wagner has matured to the point where teams can depend on him to make reliable decisions on the court.

Announcer 2: To add to the progression of Wagner, did you see that hounding defense he had on Jay Williams? I know Williams had 30 points, but 9 turnovers that's some good defense.

Announcer 1: This is a game that NBDL allows its viewers to see, good hustling brand of basketball. The NBA will truly benefit from this sort of emphasis on team play. To see highlights including Gerald Green's amazing dunk on Bynum, don't miss Sports Center.

The NBDL is a league that really excites me about the future of the NBA. Hopefully it is a league that isn't taken advantage of and is properly regulated.
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7/2/2005  8:06 PM
Interesting, but just a fantasy at this point. Pairs of teams share NBDL rosters instead of each team having its own NBDL roster, and each team can only send two players down to the NBDL.
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7/2/2005  8:10 PM
National TV souncs nice- that way ppl can follow some players from there to the NBA...

The more basketball on TV, the better.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 07/02/2005 20:17:32]
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7/2/2005  8:16 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

National TV souncs nie- that way ppl can follow some players from there to the NBA...

The more basketball on TV, the better.
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7/2/2005  8:19 PM
yeah, that would keep me from getting depress..because once Basketball is over with, baseball is the only thing that folks talk about. To tell you the truth, I hate baseball with a passion. 3 long months without either basketball or football is not fun....
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7/2/2005  8:20 PM
Fans tend to like certain players, and having the ability to follow the players even in the NBDL is appealling. It sounds like a glorified SL,which it is, but Id bet it would do better ratings than the indoor football leagues, nHL hockey or WNBA
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7/2/2005  10:25 PM
Posted by tomverve:

Interesting, but just a fantasy at this point. Pairs of teams share NBDL rosters instead of each team having its own NBDL roster, and each team can only send two players down to the NBDL.

i hate that 2 teams share rosters... what if 2 teams who share a team are developing, for example, a pg. Both are going to want their PG to get more minutes than the other. And do both teams sharing the roster have the same coaches? that seems weird.
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7/2/2005  10:42 PM
Posted by tomverve:

Interesting, but just a fantasy at this point. Pairs of teams share NBDL rosters instead of each team having its own NBDL roster, and each team can only send two players down to the NBDL.

That really stinks. If they are going to make a minor league, why not doing it the right way? And I didn't know teams could only send 2 players? Then, whats the fun of it?
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7/2/2005  10:43 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by tomverve:

Interesting, but just a fantasy at this point. Pairs of teams share NBDL rosters instead of each team having its own NBDL roster, and each team can only send two players down to the NBDL.

i hate that 2 teams share rosters... what if 2 teams who share a team are developing, for example, a pg. Both are going to want their PG to get more minutes than the other. And do both teams sharing the roster have the same coaches? that seems weird.

Good point. I don't like it either...
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7/3/2005  12:57 AM
The current set up is the way it is probably because the NBDL needs to take baby steps. You can't just add 15 teams to a league out of nowhere-- there are economic realities and such that need to be met. There are also significant concerns to work out with the players' association, who don't want guys stashed away on NBDL rosters forever.

That said, I think this is a long overdue idea that will be wildly successful. It's probably only a matter of time before the NBDL becomes a full-blown minor league like the OP imagines.
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7/3/2005  2:37 PM
Posted by tomverve:

The current set up is the way it is probably because the NBDL needs to take baby steps. You can't just add 15 teams to a league out of nowhere-- there are economic realities and such that need to be met. There are also significant concerns to work out with the players' association, who don't want guys stashed away on NBDL rosters forever.

That said, I think this is a long overdue idea that will be wildly successful. It's probably only a matter of time before the NBDL becomes a full-blown minor league like the OP imagines.
You beat me to the punch. Some folks are so impatient. Should David Stern just pull a minor laegue out of his fat ass? On second thought he probably could.
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7/3/2005  3:29 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

You beat me to the punch. Some folks are so impatient. Should David Stern just pull a minor laegue out of his fat ass? On second thought he probably could.

yes i do believe each team in the nba could fill a minor league team right away. they could take a lot of their summer league guys to fill the roster.
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7/3/2005  3:31 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Killa4luv:

You beat me to the punch. Some folks are so impatient. Should David Stern just pull a minor laegue out of his fat ass? On second thought he probably could.

yes i do believe each team in the nba could fill a minor league team right away. they could take a lot of their summer league guys to fill the roster.

no way. for most of those guys, if they don't stick with the nba team, they'd rather go be a star in europe than play in the U.S. b-league.
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7/3/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Killa4luv:

You beat me to the punch. Some folks are so impatient. Should David Stern just pull a minor laegue out of his fat ass? On second thought he probably could.

yes i do believe each team in the nba could fill a minor league team right away. they could take a lot of their summer league guys to fill the roster.


no way. for most of those guys, if they don't stick with the nba team, they'd rather go be a star in europe than play in the U.S. b-league.
Great point because many of those guys could be stars in other leagues so why play for 50-60 thousand?
AND he is ignoring that all of this costs money. Each team needs a coaching staff, trainers, players, places to play, revenue, etc. You don't just start a league in a day, you have to expand it at a measured pace.
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7/3/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Killa4luv:

You beat me to the punch. Some folks are so impatient. Should David Stern just pull a minor laegue out of his fat ass? On second thought he probably could.

yes i do believe each team in the nba could fill a minor league team right away. they could take a lot of their summer league guys to fill the roster.

no way. for most of those guys, if they don't stick with the nba team, they'd rather go be a star in europe than play in the U.S. b-league.

i know what you are saying, but why are they(the undrafted) in the summer leagues now and not in europe? they are taking a chance at sitting at the end of the bench, maybe never getting minutes, in the nba over being "star"/contributal player in europe. I think many believe if they could workout with a real nba team, they could reach their potential that they want nba teams to see. gms could fill the roster, i'm sure they are drooling at the idea of dealing with a lot more talent/having more assets.

[Edited by - jaydh on 07/03/2005 15:49:23]
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Posted by Killa4luv:

Great point because many of those guys could be stars in other leagues so why play for 50-60 thousand?
AND he is ignoring that all of this costs money. Each team needs a coaching staff, trainers, players, places to play, revenue, etc. You don't just start a league in a day, you have to expand it at a measured pace.


i do think it would take a large effort by every team to put this in place. i just dont like the idea of having to change the system later on, which obviously will happen when each team doesnt want to share anymore.
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