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Ray15
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7/2/2005  11:57 AM
I'm not really sure whether or not it would be better to keep him or deal him but these are the deals that I could see...

Marbury for Artest and Croshere/Pollard

Marbury for a resigned Stro Swift, Posey/Mike Miller, future #1

Marbury for Paul Pierce

These deals allow us to put Jamal Crawford at the point and play Nate Robinson a ton of mins off the bench. All of them help us defensively and I like the idea of starting Craw, Q, Posey/MM, Swift, Frye with Nate, Ariza, Sweets (?), MLE big man, Lee, Rose off the bench...
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7/2/2005  12:28 PM
Those deals sound decent...

Much better that that ass-backwards retarded idea to trade him for (LMAO) Feet Van Corn.
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7/2/2005  12:58 PM
Posted by Ray15:

I'm not really sure whether or not it would be better to keep him or deal him but these are the deals that I could see...

Marbury for Artest and Croshere/Pollard

Marbury for a resigned Stro Swift, Posey/Mike Miller, future #1

Marbury for Paul Pierce

These deals allow us to put Jamal Crawford at the point and play Nate Robinson a ton of mins off the bench. All of them help us defensively and I like the idea of starting Craw, Q, Posey/MM, Swift, Frye with Nate, Ariza, Sweets (?), MLE big man, Lee, Rose off the bench...

When you really look at it we'll have one roster spot after waiving Houston or Penny. So that means in order to deal Marbury, we have to take back a guy who makes the same dough becuase we can't take back multiple guys and still get Swift or Hunter. There are few teams in a position to deal two guys making the same $ as Marbs let alone a single player.
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7/2/2005  1:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Ray15:

I'm not really sure whether or not it would be better to keep him or deal him but these are the deals that I could see...

Marbury for Artest and Croshere/Pollard

Marbury for a resigned Stro Swift, Posey/Mike Miller, future #1

Marbury for Paul Pierce

These deals allow us to put Jamal Crawford at the point and play Nate Robinson a ton of mins off the bench. All of them help us defensively and I like the idea of starting Craw, Q, Posey/MM, Swift, Frye with Nate, Ariza, Sweets (?), MLE big man, Lee, Rose off the bench...

When you really look at it we'll have one roster spot after waiving Houston or Penny. So that means in order to deal Marbury, we have to take back a guy who makes the same dough becuase we can't take back multiple guys and still get Swift or Hunter. There are few teams in a position to deal two guys making the same $ as Marbs let alone a single player.


Right, forget names for one second, you have to find a team willing to take on a 20mm$ player for 4 more years. I looked at it last night and figured it was 5 teams or LESS who could possibly do it, and the only ones that made sense were Dallas and Orlando. Indiana is looking to cut salary--they are just going to waive Croshere, I mean anything is possible, but Im doubting that one. Boston for Pierce? They dont want Marbury, they have 3 PG's

the only 1s i can think of is Francis and Dallas with harris a pick +ending contract.
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7/2/2005  1:09 PM
Dallas easily makes the most sense, but only if the Knicks aren't winning by 2006. If January rolls around and they're way under .500, Marbury should be the first to go.
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7/2/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Ray15:

I'm not really sure whether or not it would be better to keep him or deal him but these are the deals that I could see...

Marbury for Artest and Croshere/Pollard

Marbury for a resigned Stro Swift, Posey/Mike Miller, future #1

Marbury for Paul Pierce

These deals allow us to put Jamal Crawford at the point and play Nate Robinson a ton of mins off the bench. All of them help us defensively and I like the idea of starting Craw, Q, Posey/MM, Swift, Frye with Nate, Ariza, Sweets (?), MLE big man, Lee, Rose off the bench...

When you really look at it we'll have one roster spot after waiving Houston or Penny. So that means in order to deal Marbury, we have to take back a guy who makes the same dough becuase we can't take back multiple guys and still get Swift or Hunter. There are few teams in a position to deal two guys making the same $ as Marbs let alone a single player.


Right, forget names for one second, you have to find a team willing to take on a 20mm$ player for 4 more years. I looked at it last night and figured it was 5 teams or LESS who could possibly do it, and the only ones that made sense were Dallas and Orlando. Indiana is looking to cut salary--they are just going to waive Croshere, I mean anything is possible, but Im doubting that one. Boston for Pierce? They dont want Marbury, they have 3 PG's

the only 1s i can think of is Francis and Dallas with harris a pick +ending contract.


I agree that there are only a few teams that would be willing to accept Marbury. I think Boston might be a good place for him though. Pierce has fallen out of favor and they have Rickey Davis and Gerald Green. They are going to let Payton walk and Delonte West can back him up. I think Marbury fits better with that group than Pierce does and he's the best value they are going to get for Pierce.

Pierce would be good for us -- he'd start at small forward and give us some much needed perimeter defense. If he gets refocused, he's one of the best there is on the perimeter. It also opens up 20 to 30 mins a night for Nate to come off the bench.

As for the roster spot, would it be possible to move Jackie Butler to the NBDL or does that still count as a roster spot? Therefore we could do that Memphis trade -- which I think they would do if they can find a home for JWILL, and still have a spot to sign a guy for the MLE.

I'm not sure it would be smart to move Marbury at this point -- mineaswell let him get a shot with this athletic group, but if we do move him, I think these are the few options we have.


If we get Stro Swift with the MLE what about Marbury and Sweets for Jason Terry, Marquis Daniels, Devin Harris?
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7/2/2005  6:36 PM
I don't really like any 3 of those trades you proposed. Marbury is way too much to give for Artest, who can end his NBA career with one explosion at any given moment. WAAAAY too risky.

I'm not interested in Posey or Mike Miller, as we seem set at the 2 and 3 with Ariza and Q. I'd take Posey, but not for Marbury, same with Swift (Who we can just get for the MLE) and the pick. Not worth it. I have no interest in Mike Miller either.

As for Pierce for Marbury. I say Pierce is the better player, but now that we have Q, I think it's best for us that we just look to deal Marbury to other places, if we are looking to deal him.
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7/2/2005  6:44 PM
How about Marbury/Rose for Pierce/Blount? I think Boston may have to add filler, but the salaries are close. I think Blount runs one more year than Rose and Steph one more year than Pierce so its sorta of a wash as far as salary.
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7/2/2005  6:50 PM
Do any of these trades make us better? Or are they just for the goof of it?
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7/2/2005  6:51 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I don't really like any 3 of those trades you proposed. Marbury is way too much to give for Artest, who can end his NBA career with one explosion at any given moment. WAAAAY too risky.

I'm not interested in Posey or Mike Miller, as we seem set at the 2 and 3 with Ariza and Q. I'd take Posey, but not for Marbury, same with Swift (Who we can just get for the MLE) and the pick. Not worth it. I have no interest in Mike Miller either.

As for Pierce for Marbury. I say Pierce is the better player, but now that we have Q, I think it's best for us that we just look to deal Marbury to other places, if we are looking to deal him.

Marbury for Artest? The reason that trade is not going to happen is because Indy would never agree to it. Artest is a top 10 player in this league and he would put up the same amount of points as Marbury but he would also shut down the other teams best player. The guy is an absolute beast and would provide the toughness that would fit perfectly with what Isiah is building. Artest would singlehandedly turn us into a playoff team that makes it to the 2nd round. We lose so many games because we can't get stops. You put Artest at the 3 with Frye and Swift up front and we'll be just fine defensively. Especially with JYD, Nate, and Rose coming off the bench. At times when we need stops go with Nate, Artest, Ariza, JYD, Stro Swift or whoever we get with the MLE.

Pierce and Q would fit nicely together at the 2 and 3. I love Ariza but lets face it, he's not ready to step in and play 35 to 40 mins a night.

At least all those trades make us better defensively. Again, I'm not saying we should trade Marbury, I'm just saying if we do, these are our options. You propose trading Marbury to "other places." The fact is that there are very few places that we could trade him. It has to be to a team that is willing to accept his contract, wants to win now, and has another max player that is tradeable.

[Edited by - ray15 on 07/02/2005 18:58:17]
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7/2/2005  6:55 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Do any of these trades make us better? Or are they just for the goof of it?

The point of this thread was to basically say that if Isiah is set on moving Marbury, these are the options we should explore.

In my opinion, they make us better because we open up 20 to 30 mins a game for Nate Robinson who will really disrupt teams on both sides of the ball. We also add defense at the 3 which is a MUST if we are going to have Craw and Q in the backcourt. I like the Artest trade the best but doubt Indy would ever do it. Pierce is a great defender as well and maybe a change of scenery gets him refocused.

The Swift and Posey trade would only be if Stro demands more than the MLE. Even in this scenario we are getting back 2 really solid defensive players that would fit perfectly into the run and gun game.
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7/2/2005  7:01 PM
But I think that marbs was shackled with scrubs...you give him frye, an awake tt and a Q rich, he's extremely better.

If he is deadset of trading marbury, then they better be awesome.

I think the paul pierce one is pretty crazy though...he's good and all, but he does a worst job of leading a team than marbury does (well, i don't think marbs does, but comparatively speaking)

OK...you guys can propose away...sorry.
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7/2/2005  7:04 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

But I think that marbs was shackled with scrubs...you give him frye, an awake tt and a Q rich, he's extremely better.

If he is deadset of trading marbury, then they better be awesome.

I think the paul pierce one is pretty crazy though...he's good and all, but he does a worst job of leading a team than marbury does (well, i don't think marbs does, but comparatively speaking)

OK...you guys can propose away...sorry.


Agreed. I don't think Marbury or Pierce could lead a team. That's why I think it's great that IT went out and got vocal guys like Q, Nate Robinson, even Frye seems to have a leadership mentality to him. This is why I think Isiah went with the college vets rather than the really young guys -- it gives us some toughness and leadership that has been sorely lacking.
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7/2/2005  7:38 PM
You and the media are trying to start rumors,,,,Marburry is not going anywhere.....He will remain in N.Y until perhaps next season....
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Posted by diderotn:

You and the media are trying to start rumors,,,,Marburry is not going anywhere.....He will remain in N.Y until perhaps next season....

Phew...I thought I was the only one that thought that...
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7/2/2005  7:44 PM
Those bastards are just trying to start some **** in our locker room. Isiah made it very clear by saying that he is commited to retain Marburry around. Now maybe next year if this team doesn't play better with Marb as the number one man, we may see Zeke seaking a trade for Marb....The little man works his butt off every night...No one in N.Y can say that this dude doesn't play his heart out. He just need to defend his man better and try to keep his mouth shut...

Posted by rvhoss:
Posted by diderotn:

You and the media are trying to start rumors,,,,Marburry is not going anywhere.....He will remain in N.Y until perhaps next season....

Phew...I thought I was the only one that thought that...
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