no GM is perfect.. they all make mistakes. I was lurking on the Suns board to see what they thought about the trade. Most of them like Kurt alot but feel like they overpaid. Also they were stuck because Q said he wouldnt go back to Pho so they had to get it done.

Now that all the pieces have fallen into place the Suns traded Luol Deng + Q for Kurt Thomas and Dijon Thompson. (remember 21 was the Bulls pick)

Ouch

Now the saved cap space from trading pick helped get them Nash and Q in the first place.

Had they just stayed put before all this they would have had Deng, Penny and Marbury. Instead they have Nash and Kurt. Hard to say whats better in the long term but 60+ wins is 60+ wins.

FYI: thanks for reading, but there is really no point to this thread.

they were stuck because Q said he wouldnt go back to Pho so they had to get it done.

That's strange because in the Arizona newspaper (I think it's called the Arizona Republic) he was quoted as saying he was disappointed to leave Phoenix because he thought he was considered a part of their core players.

FYI: thanks for reading, but there is really no point to this thread.

huh? Are you derogating your own thread? Usually I do that to you. You're taking my job away from me! (Just kidding )

Fish, I'm a big believer that last year was magical for phoenix - it ain't gonna happen again. nash was at his absolute peak and all the pieces fit together perfectly for them. I don't think they would have had nearly as good a season with Marbs running that team. And especially with Penniless getting any court time.

What Kurt's gonna add to them, or mess up for them, is to be seen. And of course, from our standpoint . . who the f cares. I feel glad as hell we're not treading quicksand anymore by relying on KT as our center. Always liked the guy, but relying on him as our center . . .

Anyway, your point was that Colangelo ain't perfect and you're right. Perfection is reserved for only one being . . . Joe Dumars!!!

Anyway, your point was that Colangelo ain't perfect and you're right. Perfection is reserved for only one being . . . Joe Dumars!!!

You mispelled my screen name. It's actually B-O-N-N-1-9-9-7 (not "J-O-E D-U-M-A-R-S)!

Posted by Rich:

I also think Phoenix wanted to get out from under Q's contract.

kurt's is shorter by a year or two. i really don't buy that the cap played as big a role in that trade as some people (mostly knick-haters) made it out to be. when kurt is 36 and making more than ever, and Q is in his prime making just over the MLE, we'll see.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 06/30/2005 13:42:27]

Posted by Rich:

If Phoenix has its cap situation worked out so that they will have flexibility when Kurt's contract expires, I think you're wrong.

Don't bet on it. They already have Nash and Marion on the books for the first season after KT's contract expires (08/09), and they'll have to sign Amare and likely JJ to max contracts as well. That doesn't take into account other players they'll need to sign to fill out the roster. Only way they have cap flexibility after KT is if they destroy their core. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

Posted by Rich:

I examined that link before I posted. My guess is that they will dump Marion within a couple of years.

k, say they dump Marion for an expiring. Now they have Nash at $12.3M, and say JJ and Amare are both making about $13M at that time as well. That adds up to about $38M for 3 players. You need 14 on the roster, per the new CBA. Say those 14 make an average of $1M each... that's $52M, right around the cap. Not much flexibility there.

Posted by tomverve:

k, say they dump Marion for an expiring. Now they have Nash at $12.3M, and say JJ and Amare are both making about $13M at that time as well. That adds up to about $38M for 3 players. You need 14 on the roster, per the new CBA. Say those 14 make an average of $1M each... that's $52M, right around the cap. Not much flexibility there.

oops, duh, meant to say 11, not 14. So Nash+Amare+JJ ~= $38M, plus 11 other players making an average of $1M, adds up to $49M. A bit under the cap, but not any more than the MLE. Not too impressed. You simply can't have 3 guys making max money and have roster flexibility, let alone 4 (if they keep Marion).

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by tomverve:

k, say they dump Marion for an expiring. Now they have Nash at $12.3M, and say JJ and Amare are both making about $13M at that time as well. That adds up to about $38M for 3 players. You need 14 on the roster, per the new CBA. Say those 14 make an average of $1M each... that's $52M, right around the cap. Not much flexibility there.

oops, duh, meant to say 11, not 14. So Nash+Amare+JJ ~= $38M, plus 11 other players making an average of $1M, adds up to $49M. A bit under the cap, but not any more than the MLE. Not too impressed. You simply can't have 3 guys making max money and have roster flexibility, let alone 4 (if they keep Marion).

If you're under the cap by a value less than the MLE, you can't sign anyone whose Bird rights you don't have to a contract higher than the MLE anyway.

No way Marbury leads that team to 52 wins, Nash constantly made those players get in the Flow of the game.....

There real mistake was not locking up Joe Johnson who is blosseming into a star.....

The Suns aren't going to do it again, in case you haven't noticed Amare is the best PF in the game, he was putting 37 on Duncan, and had Johnson been healthy, they probably would have beat the **** out of the Spurs had it not been for Q and Marion playing terrible....

If they draft Deng last year and don't sign Richardson they aren't as good last year but are one of the better teams in the league for the next 6 years.......

The Suns made out in this deal, they don't add money from their first round pick, and have a player that does the dirty work, spreads the defense and can hit the open jumper, perfect fit

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by tomverve:

k, say they dump Marion for an expiring. Now they have Nash at $12.3M, and say JJ and Amare are both making about $13M at that time as well. That adds up to about $38M for 3 players. You need 14 on the roster, per the new CBA. Say those 14 make an average of $1M each... that's $52M, right around the cap. Not much flexibility there.

oops, duh, meant to say 11, not 14. So Nash+Amare+JJ ~= $38M, plus 11 other players making an average of $1M, adds up to $49M. A bit under the cap, but not any more than the MLE. Not too impressed. You simply can't have 3 guys making max money and have roster flexibility, let alone 4 (if they keep Marion).

Isn't the cap likely to go up?