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Bonn1997
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6/30/2005  11:41 AM
I thought this was interesting
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/06/30/additions_make_them_greener/?page=2
Every NBA executive I've talked to since the playoffs ended has said Pierce is available. The draft advertisement tends to support that. The problem is, his value has never been lower, thanks to his rift with coach Doc Rivers, his reputation as a selfish player, and his ludicrous behavior in Game 6 of the Indiana series.

But the Hornets could sell him as an All-Star (and they need something to bring people into their building) and Pierce would automatically be The Man in the Crescent City. (The night life issue might be a bit dicey in New Orleans.) And if the Celtics didn't see fit to send Magloire to Canada, they'd have one of the better Eastern Conference centers on their roster.

It's impossible to understate the need for grown-ups on this team. With the drafting of Green, the Celtics are, well, incredibly green. They have nine players on their roster with no more than two years' experience. (That includes both second-round picks from Tuesday's draft.) You can promise excitement with youth. You can promise entertainment with youth. You can promise direction and, well, promise with youth.

But in the NBA, you need more than that if you actually want to, you know, win. If that wasn't the case, the Clippers would have won about eight NBA titles by now. The Clippers (and the Hawks before them) were always the best NBA team in warmups. But when the game started, it was clueless chaos.

The Celtics have a chance to be decent, but the arrival of Gerald Green isn't going to make any serious fan clear out vacation time next May and June for a deep run in the playoffs. They need to reconfigure and they need to do it before they all report to training camp in October.

They don't even need value for value for Pierce, because, at this point, they can't get it. I remember when the Timberwolves traded Christian Laettner because Laettner had become unbearable after three-plus seasons in Minnesota, even though he arguably was the best player on the team. They got Andrew Lang and Spud Webb, who, collectively, played 46 games for the franchise and were gone the next year. The Wolves still would make that deal.

My guess is that there won't be anything close to a fan rebellion if Ainge deals Pierce because the serious fan will understand why the deal had to be made. When Walker was traded, Ainge felt he had some explaining to do. With Pierce, whatever happens, the deal should be self-explanatory.
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6/30/2005  11:47 AM
I would trade Marbury for Pierce. Not that the Celtics and Knicks would or could ever swap superstars. That would be insane.
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6/30/2005  11:48 AM
Forget that - send Crawford for Pierce and maybe throw TT in or some undesireable...they said Pierce has no value so why give up Steph?
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6/30/2005  11:59 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I would trade Marbury for Pierce. Not that the Celtics and Knicks would or could ever swap superstars. That would be insane.
If Isiah does that he will greatly help the Celtic franchise...wait he is the Knicks GM. I don't know about Pierce anymore. I mean Antoine had a better playoff run than Pierce, who now seems to be easily distracted about everything. Maybe wearing that green begins to wear on you. It is a fair trade straight up but I do think the Celtics will get the most out of it.
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6/30/2005  12:09 PM
and his ludicrous behavior in Game 6
someone refresh my memory here.... what happened?
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6/30/2005  12:12 PM
Something at center court I think. Don't remember what, but it wasn't anything that made him look good.
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6/30/2005  12:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:
and his ludicrous behavior in Game 6
someone refresh my memory here.... what happened?

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/05/06/nearly_tossed?pg=full
Bonn1997
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6/30/2005  1:03 PM
Posted by fishmike:
and his ludicrous behavior in Game 6
someone refresh my memory here.... what happened?
I vaguely remember it. It had something to do with him getting fouled and then pushing a player and getting ejected. At the interview after the game he had a wrap around his jaw.

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On edit: I just noticed that Rich posted that link. Nevermind.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/30/2005 13:03:59]
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6/30/2005  1:12 PM
MArbury for Pierce would be very interesting and could work for both teams. Pierce was pretty efficient last year...45.5% on FG and 37% on 3's. He also gets a good amount of assists and boards. If Boston is desperate to dump Pierce we might be able to get something additional back. Maybe the rights to Orien Green or something like that...

Probably would never happen, but that would be a real blockbuster.
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6/30/2005  1:18 PM
I like Pierce, but we don't need him unless if you are willing to trade TT and Crawfford for him. He is a hell of a baller, especially in the 4th quarter...
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6/30/2005  3:55 PM
you don't trade Marbury for Pierce.

Pierce has had some real bad games of late.

Perhaps a Craw Ariza combo for Pierce and something else?

Marbury
Pierce
Q
Sweets/Frye
Frye/ (FA)

Wouldn't look bad- but wouldn't do it unless it was cheap.
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6/30/2005  4:15 PM
Exactly...I would trade Crawff and Sweetney or Malik, because we need to clear up the logjam at the PF position
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6/30/2005  4:28 PM
Heh. It's not that I'm anti-Marbs, but it's like I'd be willing to trade for almost anyone lately.

Not to say Crawford is a better player, but I think the team moves the ball better w/ Crawford initiating the offense.

Paul Pierce IMHO is an elite talent in the NBA (although imho less talented than Vince Carter)... and bringing him as a wing (SG/SF) would do wonders for our team. The question of course is at what price...

The Celtics need a quality young-ish PG in the worst way. Both Crawford/Marbury are further along in their development than Banks or anyone else on their roster.
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6/30/2005  5:12 PM
Besides a legit center, we need an accurate outside threat.

Allan- too bad you're done (Could we release him and sign him back?)

I think Pierce is too erratic from outside, though he is a great talent when focused.
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6/30/2005  5:17 PM
the Knicks will have an opportunity to discover a pretty good shooter throughout the season...We don't need that outside threat right now any way. We have to have an inside game first, than add outside threat. Right now, we need to concentrate on perfecting the inside and the midrange game. Don't allow Crawfford to take all the crazy shots that he has taken last season..
Posted by franco12:

Besides a legit center, we need an accurate outside threat.

Allan- too bad you're done (Could we release him and sign him back?)

I think Pierce is too erratic from outside, though he is a great talent when focused.
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6/30/2005  5:38 PM
Penny and a first round pick for him would work.
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6/30/2005  5:44 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Penny and a first round pick for him would work.

Ainge could probably get better offers than that- but maybe not. he is owed a bit of money.

Now, would a change of scenery help him like it did Vince? I bet it might help.
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6/30/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by franco12:

Besides a legit center, we need an accurate outside threat.

Allan- too bad you're done (Could we release him and sign him back?)

I think Pierce is too erratic from outside, though he is a great talent when focused.
we can release him but can't pick him up again. any one else can, we can't. as for shooters, were not exactly desprate. we have Q, marbs, nate, and (although erratic at times due to shooting off the dribble too much) crawford.
what we need most now is another wing, (besides tim) and theo.
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6/30/2005  7:43 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by franco12:

Besides a legit center, we need an accurate outside threat.

Allan- too bad you're done (Could we release him and sign him back?)

I think Pierce is too erratic from outside, though he is a great talent when focused.
we can release him but can't pick him up again. any one else can, we can't. as for shooters, were not exactly desprate. we have Q, marbs, nate, and (although erratic at times due to shooting off the dribble too much) crawford.
what we need most now is another wing, (besides tim) and theo.

Yea, but none of those are reliable outside threats-

Marbs is on and off-

Craw & Q both shot what, 38% from the field last year

You don't know how Nate is going to adjust to the NBA & I thought someone mentioned he was streaky.

TT's play is streaky altogether.

Teams are just going to zone us- we could never attack the zone this past year- I attribute that partly to coaching, but not having a threat from the 3 who is near automatic is what led teams to play zone against us so much.
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6/30/2005  9:04 PM
Paul Pierce has averaged 23 pts, 3.7 assists and 6.5 points over his career. Even if he wanted to come here, we're not getting him for players like Crawford and Penny. He's said he wants to go to a contender, which we're not. But even if we did offer fair value, and even if he wanted to come here, it's unlikely that Boston would trade him to us unless they were really desperate.
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