Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

Q's game is similar to Crawford's which isn't a good thing. He's a chucker who doesn't play much defense. Assuming he starts, what was the point of signing Crawford to a $55m deal? Q also has an uninsurable bad back. That has to be a concern for a franchise that has had trouble keeping their players on the court.

Robertson and Lee were 2nd rd talents taken in the first round. They might make nice role players at some point but where do they fit on this team? Marbury plays 40 min a night and then Crawford is supposed to be a combo guard coming off the bench. At best, the ridiculously undersized Robertson is going to be an energetic pest coming in for 3-5 minutes a game. Lee is behind about 10 PF's but at best you're looking at a Mark Madsen type.

San Antonio's #1 next year will most likely be one of the last 5 picks of the first round. There's no great value in that.

For all that we gave up our starting C and PF. Not that they were anything great but they were servicable and had value around the league. And the worst thing of all is that it hasn't upgraded our talent level to the point where you can see us being a contender any time soon. When it comes down to it, we're still undersized and we have as many question marks as we did before.

Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

Q's game is similar to Crawford's which isn't a good thing. He's a chucker who doesn't play much defense. Assuming he starts, what was the point of signing Crawford to a $55m deal? Q also has an uninsurable bad back. That has to be a concern for a franchise that has had trouble keeping their players on the court.

Robertson and Lee were 2nd rd talents taken in the first round. They might make nice role players at some point but where do they fit on this team? Marbury plays 40 min a night and then Crawford is supposed to be a combo guard coming off the bench. At best, the ridiculously undersized Robertson is going to be an energetic pest coming in for 3-5 minutes a game. Lee is behind about 10 PF's but at best you're looking at a Mark Madsen type.

San Antonio's #1 next year will most likely be one of the last 5 picks of the first round. There's no great value in that.

For all that we gave up our starting C and PF. Not that they were anything great but they were servicable and had value around the league. And the worst thing of all is that it hasn't upgraded our talent level to the point where you can see us being a contender any time soon. When it comes down to it, we're still undersized and we have as many question marks as we did before.

Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

unlike a lot of responses here, i think this is a fair terms of comparison. but i disagree on your conclusions.

we saw crawford overpowered again and again last season. getting Q eliminates that. if you were at all pleased with the concept of a marbury-crawford-houston guard rotation (although i bet you were pretty negative on that too) then Q is only an improvement because of his athleticism, youth, and ability to play the 3.

you slam our backcourt for having no defensive ability, and then knock robinson. we have an exciting lockdown defender at the point now. finding minutes will be an issue, but we have time, he will be a rookie after all.

have you read scouting reports on lee? i was pissed by the pick, but after i learned more about him i'm on board. you criticize giving up KT and nazr, but scoff at a young replacement? i still maybe would have gone with blatche at #30, but very few other players. lee has the potential to be better than nazr.

so we gave up our starting PF and C from one of our worst seasons in recent memory. we already replaced one of them with a much younger player in frye (a fact you conveniently ignore), and we haven't been given any time to make more moves.

oh yeah, and we have a late pick next year. at the very least, a trading chip. trading houston's expiring contract? unless we get a player paid like garnett or shaq, we will take back half the other team's roster in cap filler. i'll pass.

and malik's contract untradeable? come on, untreadeable is houston, eisley, shandon. malik makes less than all of them and is a better player who has proven himself on championship teams. we knicks fans KNOW untradeable, and it's not malik.


[Edited by - Masterplan on 06/29/2005 14:44:54]

Posted by NYK3:

I dont even bother looking at what islesfan has to say anymore, its easier that way

Posted by Marv:

i propose an arm-wrestling match between islesfan and bonn.

it should take place during half-time of the first regular-season game where we all get together in a bar in Manhattan to watch.

Silver will video the event and post a link to it on the UK site.

Can I get a witness here, fellas?

Posted by Masterplan:

for the record, islesfan, as much as you criticize for us letting go our starting frontcourt, i bet you had nothing good to say about nazr and kurt when they were playing side by side in the beginning of the season.