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ESPN.com: Draft 2005
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
Grading the NBA Draft, from A+ to all the rest
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By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
We've billed this year's NBA Draft as being the deepest and most
unpredictable in recent memory, and it sure lived up to that billing.


After the first eight picks (of which we pegged seven correctly in our
final mock draft), the draft went a bit haywire.


Lottery prospects like Danny Granger and Gerald Green slid fast.


Problem cases like Charlie Villanueva and Rashad McCants got love in
the lottery.


Second-round prospects like Nate Robinson and Jason Maxiell made their
way into the first round. So did France's Ian Mahinmi -- yes, Mr.
Mahinmi made it.


Former first-round locks like Martynas Andriuskevicus, Andray Blatche
and Chris Taft went into freefall, all the way into the netherworld of
the second round.


The second round became Bizzaro World, as Ricky Sanchez, Bracey Wright,
Cenk Akyol, Von Wafer and Alex Acker got drafted and Randolph Morris,
Matt Walsh, Kennedy Winston, Dwyane Jones, Sean Banks, John Gilchrist,
Eddie Basden, Will Bynum, Jawad Williams, Angelo Gigli and Keleena
Azubuike found themselves unloved and undrafted.


ATLANTA HAWKS
Round 1: Marvin Williams, SF, UNC (No. 2)


Round 2: Salim Stoudamire, SG, Arizona (No. 31)


Round 2: Cenk Akyol, G, Turkey (No. 59, from San Antonio)


Analysis: Can't slam the team that ended up with the best player in the
draft, but something just doesn't seem right. Passing on Chris Paul and
Deron Williams may come back to haunt the Hawks if they can't land a
decent point guard in free agency or via trade. Marvin was a want. Paul
and Williams were needs. They blew their second chance at a lead guard
in the second round. They had a shot to land Croatian point guard Roko
Ukic at 31 and instead took an undersized shooter in Stoudamire who
duplicates what Tony Delk already does for them.


Grade: B

BOSTON CELTICS
Round 1: Gerald Green, SG, Gulf Shores Academy (No. 18)


Round 2: Ryan Gomes, SF, Providence (No. 50)


Round 2: Orien Greene, PG, Lafayette (No. 53, from Sacramento)


Analysis: Danny Ainge pulled off one of the best drafts of 2004, but he
topped himself this year -- and he got two guys named Green/Greene to
boot. Gerald Green should have been a top six pick in the draft based
on his talent and potential. Al Jefferson from last year's draft and
Green from this year's draft could be superstars down the road. Gomes
was a guy the team seriously considered with the 18th pick and should
become a big part of their young core, along with Delonte West and Tony
Allen.


Grade: A+

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Round 1: Raymond Felton, PG, North Carolina (No. 5)


Round 1: Sean May, PF, North Carolina (No. 13)


Round 2: None


Analysis: Bernie Bickerstaff played it safe and went with two local
college stars who will contribute right away and generate ticket sales.
But did Bickerstaff play it too safe? He passed on players with more
upside at No. 5 and it's unclear how May will fit alongside Emeka
Okafor, Primoz Brezec and Melvin Ely on the front line. As with last
year's bold move to No. 2, they could have traded the No. 5 and No. 13
picks to the Blazers to get their hands on local favorite Chris Paul,
who brings more to the floor than Felton and May combined. Instead, the
Bobcats are merely filling the team with solid players with good
backgrounds. But after drafting in the top five its first two years,
Charlotte is still a franchise that needs a true superstar to build the
team around.


Grade: B

CHICAGO BULLS
Round 1: None


Round 2: None


Analysis: No picks this year.


Grade: Incomplete

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Round 1: None


Round 2: Martynas Andriuskevicius (No. 44, from the Magic)


Analysis: Owner Dan Gilbert couldn't stand to sit this one out. He
started by shipping Jiri Welsch to the Bucks for a 2006 second-rounder
(remember when they gave up a first-rounder for him four months ago?),
then they purchased the draft rights to Martynas Andriuskevicius from
the Magic. Andriuskevicius was once pegged as a top five pick. Getting
him for some cash could turn out to be a big steal down the road.


Grade: B

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Round 1: None


Round 2: None


Analysis: No picks this year.


Grade: Incomplete

DENVER NUGGETS
Round 1: Julius Hodge, SG, NC State (No. 20, from Washington via
Orlando)


Round 2: Jarrett Jack, PG, Georgia Tech (No. 22)


Round 2: Axel Hervelle, PF, Spain (No. 52)


Analysis: The Nuggets landed two quality players in Hodge and Kleiza
and two prospects for the future in Sanchez and Hervelle. All have a
lot of talent. Hodge and Kleiza have that toughness that George Karl
loves, but I wonder if the Nuggets missed the target here. The Nuggets
needed a big-time shooter to play the three and a center to help spell
Marcus Camby. They landed neither even though there were intriguing
prospects on the board. For instance, Francisco Garcia and Johan Petro
might have been a better combo for them. It wasn't a disastrous draft
by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't all that it could have
been either.


Grade: B-

DETROIT PISTONS
Round 1: Jason Maxiell, PF, Cincinnati (No. 26)


Round 2: Amir Johnson, PF, Westchester HS (No. 56)


Round 2: Alex Acker, G, Pepperdine (No. 60, from Utah via Philadelphia)


Analysis: Joe Dumars knows what he likes. He identified Maxiell early
and knew he'd be a great fit on Detroit's squad. He's a mini-Ben
Wallace who plays with an intensity and aggression that's rarely seen
in the league. The Pistons went for upside in the late second round and
will probably send Johnson and Acker to the NBDL next year.


Grade: B

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Round 1: Ike Diogu, PF, Arizona State (No. 9)


Round 2: Monta Ellis, PG, Lainier HS (No. 40)


Round 2: Chris Taft, PF, Pittsburgh (No. 42 from LA Clippers via New
Jersey)


Analysis: I must be getting a warm place in my heart for the Warriors.
First it was Andris Biedrins. Then the Baron Davis trade. And now
they've put together a very solid draft that gets them some serious
help on the boards from Diogu and Taft and a young prospect who could
eventually back up Davis and Jason Richardson in the backcourt. Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for. We've been tough on Taft most of the year, but in the
second round he's a steal. If he plays with a chip on his shoulder, he
could end up being the best pick the Warriors made on Tuesday.


Grade: A-

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Round 1: Luther Head, PG, Illinois (No. 24)


Round 2:


Analysis: The Rockets needed a point guard and got, in my estimation,
one of the two or three most underrated prospects in the draft at No.
24. Head has the athleticism, jump shot and experience to be a
long-term solution for the Rockets at the point. He should have a long
career ahead of him.


Grade: A

INDIANA PACERS
Round 1: Danny Granger, SF, New Mexico (No. 17)


Round 2: Erazem Lorbek, PF, Slovenia (No. 46)


Analysis: To put this into perspective, had Utah not moved up to No. 3,
the Jazz had planned to select Granger with the No. 6 pick in the
draft. As it stands, the Pacers, who were trying to move up all night,
did nothing . . . and watched Granger fall into their lap at No. 17.
Granger is the perfect fit for what the Pacers like to do. He is
versatile, can shoot and handle the ball, and most importantly can
defend three positions. He may be one of the five best prospects in the
draft and one of the few who is ready to come in and contribute
immediately. Adding Granger gives the Pacers title hopes a pretty big
shot in the arm. In the second round, the Pacers landed a guy many
believe is the top young player in Europe. He's not flashy, but Larry
Bird loves him. In a few years, after an extended stay in Europe, he
could become a fixture in Indiana.


Grade: A+

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Round 1: Yaroslav Korolev, SF, Russia (No. 12)


Round 2: Daniel Ewing, PG, Duke (No. 32, from Charlotte)


Analysis: Yaroslav Korolev may turn into a Toni Kukoc type of player in
three or four years, but it's hard to understand why the Clippers, on
the verge of being a serious contender for the playoffs, would pass on
the immediate help (and upside) that Danny Granger or Antoine Wright
would have brought to the team. The problem appears to be that the
Clippers made a hasty promise to a player who didn't quite deserve one.
Ewing was a solid second-round pick who'll be able to play both guard
positions backing up Shaun Livingston and Bobby Simmons.


Grade: C

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Round 1: Andrew Bynum, C, St. Joseph HS (No. 10)


Round 2: Ronny Turiaf, PF, Gonzaga (No. 37, from Charlotte)


Round 2: Von Wafer, SG, Florida State (No. 39)


Analysis: If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F. Given that Phil
Jackson wants to win now, it's a little surprising they passed on guys
like Granger or May. Turiaf was a solid second-round pick and Wafer has
enough talent to make it worth the Lakers' gamble.


Grade: B

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Round 1: Hakim Warrick, PF, Syracuse (No. 19)


Round 2:


Analysis: The team debated whether to take Warrick or Julius Hodge.
Both are typical Jerry West players: They went to school for four
years, play hard and like to win. I didn't see Warrick as a lottery
pick, but he's a makes more sense here. The issue now is that there's a
pretty big logjam at the forward position in Memphis, with Pau Gasol,
James Posey, Shane Battier and Brian Cardinal all in front of him of
Warrick. But he should make a nice long-term replacement for Stromile
Swift. Drafting Roberts in the second round will give them a solid,
albeit undersized rebounder.


Grade: B

MIAMI HEAT
Round 1: Wayne Simien, PF, Kansas (No. 29)


Round 2:


Analysis: When you're drafting at No. 29, you expect to get a role
player. The Heat exceeded their own expectations, we're sure. Simien is
an upgrade over their last season's starting power forward, restrictred
free agent Udonis Haslem. If he can stay healthy, Simien could be a
productive scorer and rebounder in Miami and serves as a great
insurance policy should Haslem bolt in free agency. The Heat couldn't
have done any better with their pick.


Grade: A

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Round 1: Andrew Bogut, C, Utah (No. 1)


Round 2: Ersan Ilyasova, SF, Turkey (No. 36)


Analysis: Thanks to this draft, the Bucks could be looking at their
starting frontcourt of the future. Bogut will come in immediately and
take over the starting center position. He might not be destined to be
a superstar, but he should be a top 10 center in the league his rookie
year and work his way into the top five eventually. Ilyasova is a
longer-term project, but he has lottery talent that was obscured by an
ankle injury last year. He plans on staying in the U.S. and learning
his trade with the Bucks, perhaps in the NBDL. If he lives up to his
potential, he could be a Andrei Kirilenko type of forward for the Bucks
and the perfect complement on the front line to the less athletic
Bogut. While I still think they should have taken Marvin Williams with
the first pick, it's awfully tough to take issue with what they did.


Grade: A

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Round 1: Rashad McCants, SG, North Carolina (No. 14)


Round 2: Bracey Wright, G, Indiana (No. 47)


Analysis: The Wolves made their first lottery pick since 1998 and swung
for the fences. McCants is a high risk, high reward player, a top five
talent who had a number of issues that hurt his stock. He could step in
and immediately replace Latrell Sprewell at the two if he stays healthy
(he has stomach issues) and gets on new coach Dwane Casey's good side.
Or he could be a bust. The Wright pick in the second round is shakier.
He's undersized, like McCants, but he can't create his own shot.


Grade: B-

NEW JERSEY NETS
Round 1: Antoine Wright, SG, Texas A&M (No. 15)


Round 2: Mile Ilic, C, Yugoslavia (No. 43)


Analysis: The Nets made an interesting choice. They clearly needed
another big and Hakim Warrick, one of their favorites, was on the
board. They also needed some shooting and both Antoine Wright and Danny
Granger had slid to them. What I don't understand is why they didn't
split the difference and grab Granger. He could have been a three or a
four in the Nets' system and would have added great defense, toughness
and sharp-shooting to the team. Nothing against Wright, but I think
Granger was a better prospect. Ilic is a solid prospect in the second
round. In a few years, he could be part of the answer in the middle for
New Jersey.


Grade: B


NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Round 1: Chris Paul, PG, Wake Forest (No. 4)


Round 2: Brandon Bass, PF, LSU (No. 33)


Analysis: Landing the best point guard in the draft and a sleeper power
forward in the second? Nice. Things couldn't have gone much better for
New Orleans. Well, the Raptors could've taken their offer of Jamaal
Magloire for the No. 7 and the No. 16 and the Hornets could've really
started rebuilding. Still, it's not horrible that the Raptors turned
them down. With Paul, Magloire and J.R. Smith, the Hornets have a great
core and plenty of cap room to fill in the blanks at the three and
four.


Grade: A

NEW YORK KNICKS
Round 1: Channing Frye, C, Arizona (No. 8)


Round 1: David Lee, PF, Florida (No. 30, from Phoenix via San Antonio)


Round 2: Dijon Thompson, SF, UCLA (No. 54, from Houston)


Analysis: The Knicks have been the worst drafting team in the NBA over
the last decade, according to our John Hollinger. Isiah Thomas did a
good job of reversing course on Tuesday. He may have taken Frye a bit
high, but you can't blame him. The Knicks needed size and Frye was
clearly the best center on the board at No. 8. I really like the
Robinson pick. He's an electric player who will, if nothing else, keep
Knicks fans interested next year. Lee was a safe pick at the end of the
first round, though I think Isiah could have afforded to take a risk at
No. 30 with a high school player like Andray Blatche. Overall, it was a
solid performance for the Knicks.


Grade: B+

ORLANDO MAGIC
Round 1: Fran Vazquez, PF, Spain (No. 11)


Round 2: Travis Diener, PG, Marquette (No. 38, from Toronto)


Analysis: Orlando pulled one of the surprises of the draft when it
drafted Vazquez at No. 11, because no one knew the team was even
interested. But it's a good pick for the Magic. They needed size and
toughness in the paint and Vazquez can provide that right away. I'm a
little surprised they didn't take a swingman who can shoot the ball,
but obviously they felt like they couldn't afford to pass on a big.
Diener is an interesting pick in the second round to play behind Jameer
Nelson, another small point guard. I wonder if this means that Steve
Francis is done playing the point (or just done in Orlando). The Magic
also acquired Gortat, an athletic center from Poland who should be a
great fit in the Magic's up-tempo offense.


Grade: B

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Round 1: None


Round 2: Louis Williams, SG, South Gwinnett HS (No. 45)


Analysis: I don't understand this pick by Philly. Williams is an
Iverson knockoff. But wasn't Willie Green the same thing? And isn't
Iverson the real thing? Williams is so far away from being an NBA
player you have to wonder whether he's really worth the Sixers' time.
He'll always be an athletic two guard who's undersized.


Grade: C-

PHOENIX SUNS
Round 1: Nate Robinson, PG, Washington (No. 21, from Chicago)


Round 2: Marcin Gortat, C, Poland (No. 57, from New Orleans)


Analysis: The team traded away the draft rights to both Nate Robinson
and Marcin Gortat and picked up the rights to Dijon Thompson. Thompson
is a good fit for the Suns, but Robinson and Gortat were better. I know
that the Suns made this trade to get the Knicks to pull the trigger on
the Quentin Richardson-for-Kurt Thomas swap, but it's still unfortunate
for basketball fans that we didn't get to see what Robinson could do in
the Suns' run-and-gun system. For the second straight year, it's a wash
on draft night for Phoenix.


Grade: C

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Round 1: Martell Webster, SG, Seattle Prep (No. 6, from Utah)


Round 1: Linas Kleiza, SF, Missouri (No. 27, from Dallas via Utah)


Round 2: Ricky Sanchez, SF, IMG Academy (No. 35)


Analysis: The Blazers didn't need a point guard and did the right thing
by moving out. But did they take the right guys? I love Webster, but am
not sure he's really as good a prospect as fellow high school star
Gerald Green. He's more ready, but his ceiling is a little lower. That
said, I think Webster is a pretty good pick here. He could be a Glen
Rice-type player and give the Blazers some much-needed shooting. Adding
Jack with their other first-round pick was a nice move. He should help
relieve a lot of the pressure on Sebastian Telfair.


Grade: B+

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Round 1: Francisco Garcia, SG, Louisville (No. 23)


Round 2:


Analysis: Didn't the Kings make this same pick last year when they
selected Kevin Martin in the late first round? Martin is a long
swingman who can shoot and score. Garcia is a long swingman who can
shoot and score. Garcia is an upgrade over Martin, but not by that
much. I have to wonder if the Kings weren't better off trying to add
some size. Johan Petro, Wayne Simien, David Lee and Chris Taft were all
available when the Kings picked.


Grade: C+

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Round 1: Ian Mahinmi, PF, France (No. 28)


Round 2:


Analysis: I wish I could say that I knew everything there is to know
about Mahinmi, but the truth is that the information on him is sketchy.
Normally that would raise eyebrows in a first-round pick, but given the
Spurs' fantastic track record in recent drafts, it's hard to second
guess them. He's a long, athletic big man who plays defense already.
He's a long-term project, but given the success of their other
projects, Manu Ginobili and Luis Scola (who should be arriving in San
Antonio soon), the Spurs have shown what upside is all about.


Grade: Incomplete


SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Round 1: Johan Petro, C, France (No. 25)


Round 2: Mickael Gelabale, SF, France (No. 48, from Memphis)


Round 2: Lawrence Roberts, PF, Mississippi St. (No. 55)


Analysis: I think the Sonics did a great job getting maximum value late
in the first round. Both Petro and Gelebale have great potential and
the Sonics have the option of bringing them to the U.S. or continuing
to develop their game in Europe. Look for Petro to come now and
Gelebale to come later. In three or four years, we may look back at
what the Sonics as some of the best moves of the draft.


Grade: B+

TORONTO RAPTORS
Round 1: Charlie Villanueva, PF, Connecticut (No. 7)


Round 1: Joey Graham, SF, Oklahoma State (No. 16, from Philadelphia via
Denver and New Jersey)


Round 2: Roko Ukic, PG, Croatia (No. 41, from Orlando)


Round 2: Uros Slokar, PF, Slovenia (No. 58, from Miami)


Analysis: What are Rob Babcock and Co. thinking? Last year they really
reached for big man Rafael Araujo at No. 8 and paid a huge price. So
what did they do this year at No. 7? They really reached for a talented
but troubled big man who happens to play the same position as their
best player, Chris Bosh. Villanueva has the skills to be worthy of a
top-seven pick, but it's questionable whether he'll ever have the
attitude or drive. Even if he does get it together, why not take a more
sensible route and address their problems at center, point guard or
small forward? I just don't get it. They compounded the mistake by
taking Graham over Danny Granger, given that I haven't talked to one
scout who had Graham rated over Granger. Babcock talked about improving
the team's defense, but Granger is actually a superior defender and a
much better offensive player. Passing on Granger at No. 16 was
inexcusable. They saved themselves from a grade of F by landing Ukic, a
guy they flirted with at 16, with the 41st pick. Ukic has the ability
to come in and dethrone Rafer Alston at the point immediately. He's a
great second round pick.


Grade: D+

UTAH JAZZ
Round 1: Deron Williams, PG, Illinois (No. 3, from Portland)


Round 2: C.J. Miles, SG, Skyline HS (No. 34)


Round 2: Robert Whaley, C, Walsh (No. 51, from Chicago via Houston)


Analysis: GM Kevin O'Connor did the right thing by swapping the No. 6
and No. 27 pick (along with a future first-rounder from Detroit) to the
Blazers for the No. 3. I think they should've gone with Chris Paul, but
it's hard to criticize the selection of Deron Williams, who may be a
little bit better fit in their system. I'm not a huge fan of either of
their second-round picks. Miles is a project and Whaley is interesting,
but he's got enough background issues to scare Dennis Rodman. How's
that going to fly in Utah?


Grade: A-

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Round 1: None


Round 2: Andray Blatche, PF, South Kent Prep (No. 49)


Analysis: Armed with just one second-round pick, the Wizards made the
most of it. Blatche has the talent to have warranted a mid first-round
selection. He's long, athletic and skilled, and he has heart. I have no
idea how he slipped this far, but it turned out to be a great
second-round pick for the Wizards.


Grade: B+
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Silverfuel
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6/29/2005  9:11 AM
good stuff Marv. I give the Knicks a B+ too.
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6/29/2005  9:25 AM
Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for.
I still would have rather had Ike but that changes the whole of what we do.

If Chad like what we did it could be the kiss of death. I agree with his assesment of Bos however. What a great job in back to back years.
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6/29/2005  9:26 AM
If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F.

I hate crap like this. Give your opinion and grade them based on that.
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6/29/2005  9:33 AM
Posted by Marv:
If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F.

I hate crap like this. Give your opinion and grade them based on that.
agreed... thats the whole point. This is all a gamble. History proves that. So was it a good gamble or wasnt it?
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6/29/2005  9:41 AM
Posted by Marv:
If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F.

I hate crap like this. Give your opinion and grade them based on that.
Marv: He did give them a grade. 'B'. His opinion right now is that Bynum will not be a great Center which is why he gave them a 'B'. I think that section makes perfect sense. He just doesnt know how good Bynum is, maybe caus ehe hasnt seen him play enough. The guy didnt even workout for the Knicks.

What other way would you want him to say it? He didnt go on record with Bynum, true, but he did grade their night. He also said the grade could change between an A+ and an F based on Bynum's future performance. This proves he hasnt seen enough to form an opinion. I thought it was fine. I really like his Analysis on the Knicks. I know Chad Ford is public enemy #1 on ultimate but this piece was fair.
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6/29/2005  10:06 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Marv:
If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F.

I hate crap like this. Give your opinion and grade them based on that.
Marv: He did give them a grade. 'B'. His opinion right now is that Bynum will not be a great Center which is why he gave them a 'B'. I think that section makes perfect sense. He just doesnt know how good Bynum is, maybe caus ehe hasnt seen him play enough. The guy didnt even workout for the Knicks.

What other way would you want him to say it? He didnt go on record with Bynum, true, but he did grade their night. He also said the grade could change between an A+ and an F based on Bynum's future performance. This proves he hasnt seen enough to form an opinion. I thought it was fine. I really like his Analysis on the Knicks. I know Chad Ford is public enemy #1 on ultimate but this piece was fair.

Well then maybe i'm just nitpicking, but i'd like to hear him say, "Personally I don't see the guy becoming a dominant big man, but he'll be a good enough center to warrant them selecting him this high, so I give them a B." But you read between the lines and got that anyway, so that's cool. I just don't like the "A to F if . . ." crap because you could say that about virtually any guy where there's uncertainty about his selection, and the idea of analyzing draft selections is to go on record now, not when we see how the guy turns out later.
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Posted by Marv:

I just don't like the "A to F if . . ." crap because you could say that about virtually any guy where there's uncertainty about his selection, and the idea of analyzing draft selections is to go on record now, not when we see how the guy turns out later.
Thats true. It is his job to analyze not to give us obvious if and/but scenarios. He should've stopped at the B.
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6/29/2005  10:44 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Marv:
If Andrew Bynum turns into the dominant big man that the
Lakers believe he could be, the Lakers deserve an A+ for the draft. If
he turns into the next DeSagana Diop, they get an F.

I hate crap like this. Give your opinion and grade them based on that.
agreed... thats the whole point. This is all a gamble. History proves that. So was it a good gamble or wasnt it?
I'd say no for them. They could have gotten talented players to play the 3,1,and 4 and moved Odom. I don't think Bynum is playing next year in any capacity, except garbage time.
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6/29/2005  10:59 AM
same reason you cant now give the Magic and F for trading Ben Wallace and Atkins for Grant Hill. Bottom line is they traded 2 role players for a superstar. The fact that GHill broke down doesnt mean it wasnt a great deal for Orl (at the time of the trade).

As they say hindsight is always 20/20
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djsunyc
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6/29/2005  11:41 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for.
I still would have rather had Ike but that changes the whole of what we do.

If Chad like what we did it could be the kiss of death. I agree with his assesment of Bos however. What a great job in back to back years.

actually, it should be the opposite. if chad says ANYTHING good about the knicks, then something good is going on here...
Bonn1997
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6/29/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:
Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for.
I still would have rather had Ike but that changes the whole of what we do.

If Chad like what we did it could be the kiss of death. I agree with his assesment of Bos however. What a great job in back to back years.

actually, it should be the opposite. if chad says ANYTHING good about the knicks, then something good is going on here...
Yeah, Chad hates the Knicks usually. If *even he* can find something good to say about the Knicks, it's a great day!
Knicksfan
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6/29/2005  12:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:
Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for.
I still would have rather had Ike but that changes the whole of what we do.

If Chad like what we did it could be the kiss of death. I agree with his assesment of Bos however. What a great job in back to back years.

actually, it should be the opposite. if chad says ANYTHING good about the knicks, then something good is going on here...
Yeah, Chad hates the Knicks usually. If *even he* can find something good to say about the Knicks, it's a great day!

Knicks_Fan
Pharzeone
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6/29/2005  1:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:
Some
will say the Warriors took Diogu too high. I don't think so. I think
the Elton Brand comparisons could be dead on. He'll add much needed
toughness and rebounding up front and he's more skilled than teams give
him credit for.
I still would have rather had Ike but that changes the whole of what we do.

If Chad like what we did it could be the kiss of death. I agree with his assesment of Bos however. What a great job in back to back years.

actually, it should be the opposite. if chad says ANYTHING good about the knicks, then something good is going on here...
Well to be fair he really just hates Isiah. He was a Layden supporter. Seem to always like Layden moves. Especially getting Lampe.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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