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BRIGGS
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6/29/2005  1:44 AM
Solid picks at 21 and 30, no arguements here. I do think that the 21 pick was destined for Hodge and Nate was the back up plan

Pick 8 I see as fair, I think that MANY players picked after him will ultimately be better NBA basketball players. What was a funny moment of the night was when the Toronto GM said they viewed Cv as the best BIG available. Well, Id rather have Frye than CV, although they really did well with picks 16 and that PG they stole in round 2, steal of the draft.

I know we need size and even if they didnt want Bynum[which will be an UTTER mistake] I just dont think you let guys like Granger and Green pass. I know some teams did, but I think that there was a lot of drafting via need and situations where guys were ranked high and didnt work out for many teams. looking back--I really do wonder how far Frye wouldve dove. GS has 2 C. Phil Jackson was the person responsible for Bynum's promise. Looks like they did indeed give Vazquez a promise. He was not going 12-13-14-15-16-17-18--he was going to take a dive if he made it past the magic, maybe right back to where he was originally forecasted--pick 19-23. Oh well, we have to hope that he plays well, but he has a lot of weight on his shoulders. They have to throw him out there, Bynum couldve been a 2 year process. If Phil was here, pick 8 wouldve been Bynum
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djsunyc
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6/29/2005  1:52 AM
he's ALIVE and he's...calm!?!?!?!

dude, when the pick came up, all me and killa4luv was saying how you were going to go postal and just start shooting up the place.

i agree with you about the hodge/nate thing. but i'm happy with nate.

lee looks to be a solid contributor and ALL THREE can play right away.

we'll see how it all turns out...
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6/29/2005  1:52 AM
Briggs, where did you hear the Phil thing? They said at the beginning of the draft that Phil was "dismissed" back to Montana for the draft by Buss and Kupchak.

Also, there were rumors all day that the Lakers were trying to trade up to get Frye.

I agree about the Hodge/Nate thing. I'm almost more happy with Nate, he should be interesting to say the least...
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6/29/2005  1:58 AM
GS wanted Frye, he wouldn't work out for them. NOw more than ever it was so apparent that the Raptors wanted him but he wouldn't workout for them. He refused to workout for the Jazz, who had Williams and Frye as their picks after Bogut. Turns out that the Lakers were prepare to take either Bynum or Frye. Its funny, Bynum shuts down his workouts and we bestow praises at Kupcake at how he had insight to keep Bynum from other GMs. Isiah did the same thing with Frye before he even knew that Bynum was going to enter the draft when most mockers had Frye as a very late 1st round pick early in the year. To me that shows insight was well. I would say the Knicks should have gotten Green both two teams that were said to be very hot for him early this month let him pass by twice. My only hope is that Green is no John Wallace and makes teams pay.
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Rich
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6/29/2005  2:09 AM
I'm still shocked that Green fell that far. I wonder if Isish tried to move up from 21.

I would also like to find out the truth of the Lakers reported interest in Frye.

I wanted Bynum over Frye because I don't think Frye will ever be able to play the post, offensively or defensively.

As I have posted, I think Dolan pressured Isiah to draft the player who was more ready to contribute immediately.
BRIGGS
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6/29/2005  2:21 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Briggs, where did you hear the Phil thing? They said at the beginning of the draft that Phil was "dismissed" back to Montana for the draft by Buss and Kupchak.

Also, there were rumors all day that the Lakers were trying to trade up to get Frye.

I agree about the Hodge/Nate thing. I'm almost more happy with Nate, he should be interesting to say the least...

Phil thing will come out in the paper, story already broke on UCI. Someone tried to get Bynum to drop--and it was very likely PORTLAND who had the opportunity to get that pick 22 by spreading a bad rumor and ESPN and NBA DRAFT both dropped him like a rock down into the 20s, but he wasnt moving past 10.

I just think the Lakers walk with bigger blls than us, they have a better team than the Knicks

all the talk you here before the draft is BS, almost EVERYTHING is subterfuge. if GS wanted Frye so bad, or even the Lakers--Cv wasnt going to be picked 8-9-10- they couldve easily move up.

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6/29/2005  2:23 AM
I agree with BRIGGS. I give B as well.

Frye - It was expected. I would have been happier with Bynum/Granger, but at least we know what he can produce unlike some highschoolers. His ceiling is not high, but he will be a decent player.

Love the NATE & LEE picks! I initially thought that Jack would have been a better pick up at #21, but Nate does compliment the team better coming off the bench for 10-15min and change pace/bring energy. I'm thrilled about the prospect of seeing his play in the Garden. Lee is solid as well. I thought Blatch (and Taft) would be nice at #30, but so many other teams passed on him too.

I'm suprised that Randolph Morris, Matt Walsh, Angelo Gigli, Kennedy Winston didn't get drafted. Isiah needs to go after these guys so that we'll have great young & talented NBDL team.

As for other teams, other than picking CV at #7 (WTF?), Toronto did great adding Graham and 2 solid prospects in the 2nd round. Liked what the Celtics & Warriers did too. They'll be good for years to come.
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6/29/2005  2:24 AM
Posted by Rich:

I'm still shocked that Green fell that far. I wonder if Isish tried to move up from 21.

I would also like to find out the truth of the Lakers reported interest in Frye.

I wanted Bynum over Frye because I don't think Frye will ever be able to play the post, offensively or defensively.

As I have posted, I think Dolan pressured Isiah to draft the player who was more ready to contribute immediately.
HOw can you move up from 21 when the pick isn't even yours. Players didn't even take physicals yet. I am sure that if he could he would have though. I agree with Briggs that Hodge was the guy. btw, Charlie V has to be laughing his ass off. Raptors compare him to Odom, the best skilled big man in the draft.
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Rich
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6/29/2005  2:34 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Rich:

I'm still shocked that Green fell that far. I wonder if Isish tried to move up from 21.

I would also like to find out the truth of the Lakers reported interest in Frye.

I wanted Bynum over Frye because I don't think Frye will ever be able to play the post, offensively or defensively.

As I have posted, I think Dolan pressured Isiah to draft the player who was more ready to contribute immediately.
HOw can you move up from 21 when the pick isn't even yours. Players didn't even take physicals yet. I am sure that if he could he would have though. I agree with Briggs that Hodge was the guy. btw, Charlie V has to be laughing his ass off. Raptors compare him to Odom, the best skilled big man in the draft.

Couldn't Phoenix, acting as a proxy for the Knicks, offer a team future considerations (which would be sent from the Knicks) to move up a pick or two?
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6/29/2005  2:35 AM
A

According to LA sports radio, the Lakers spent all day trying to move up to take Frye. Zeke thinks he has Duncan skills and just needs to get stronger.

We turn a 54 into a 21 by giving up KT and picking up Q!, and pick an explosive piece of the puzzle.

We get another high character, long, phenomenally athletic player at 30.

So we got younger, more athletic and more skilled in 4 places in one night.
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6/29/2005  4:28 AM
F@@@ing -D!!!
The only picked I really liked was the 54th, and it went to Phoenix...
Well, Nate Robinson is not bad. I have never liked Frye and most important, why do we draft another PF? That is the worst pick I have ever seen. David Lee? Hell, get Taft, who is taller and "athletic2 (I hate that word).Get whoever, but not another mediocre PF.
We needed to get rid of another PF, and instead, we get another one (and a mediocre one->I repeat this because it's true).


[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 06/29/2005 04:29:30]
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6/29/2005  7:37 AM
C for me. We use 3 first rounders and pass on guys that had franchise potential.

I hope Zeke is right about Frye... I think worst case is he's a servicable center. We did get 3 guys that will be decent NBA players. Nate is exciting and Lee reminds me a lot of Reggie Evans and I think thats a steal at 30. When the Mo T/JYD/Malik types go away Lee will be a very valuable role player.

Nothing impressive but I do think this group and inject some energy into this team which is desperatly needed. I also think Nate and Lee will really challenge the vets for PT and are tough players.
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6/29/2005  8:11 AM
Posted by fishmike:

C for me. We use 3 first rounders and pass on guys that had franchise potential.

I hope Zeke is right about Frye... I think worst case is he's a servicable center. We did get 3 guys that will be decent NBA players. Nate is exciting and Lee reminds me a lot of Reggie Evans and I think thats a steal at 30. When the Mo T/JYD/Malik types go away Lee will be a very valuable role player.

Nothing impressive but I do think this group and inject some energy into this team which is desperatly needed. I also think Nate and Lee will really challenge the vets for PT and are tough players.
Nothing impressive? Trading Kurt for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson isn't impressive? I would have traded Kurt for either of those players let alone both!
fishmike
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6/29/2005  8:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

C for me. We use 3 first rounders and pass on guys that had franchise potential.

I hope Zeke is right about Frye... I think worst case is he's a servicable center. We did get 3 guys that will be decent NBA players. Nate is exciting and Lee reminds me a lot of Reggie Evans and I think thats a steal at 30. When the Mo T/JYD/Malik types go away Lee will be a very valuable role player.

Nothing impressive but I do think this group and inject some energy into this team which is desperatly needed. I also think Nate and Lee will really challenge the vets for PT and are tough players.
Nothing impressive? Trading Kurt for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson isn't impressive? I would have traded Kurt for either of those players let alone both!
your talking about 2 different things. The Kt gets upgraded to a B+. I will save the A grade if and when we ever get a franchise player, but KT +54 for Q and 21 is a good job by Zeke.

When I said nothing impressive I meant the draft. We had 3 first rounders and Zeke did a good job using the draft to fill out the roster, but we need a star and this was our best shot. Had he taken Bynum or Green at 8 and picked Nate/Lee I would be impressed. He didnt screw it up but he didnt take any risks either.
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Knicksfan
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6/29/2005  10:45 AM
Posted by fishmike:

C for me. We use 3 first rounders and pass on guys that had franchise potential.

I hope Zeke is right about Frye... I think worst case is he's a servicable center. We did get 3 guys that will be decent NBA players. Nate is exciting and Lee reminds me a lot of Reggie Evans and I think thats a steal at 30. When the Mo T/JYD/Malik types go away Lee will be a very valuable role player.

Nothing impressive but I do think this group and inject some energy into this team which is desperatly needed. I also think Nate and Lee will really challenge the vets for PT and are tough players.

Im sure that if Green would've been there at 21, he would've taken him. Who knows if Green will become the star everyone expects him to be, but all I have to say is that at least NY used their pick extremely better than the teams after us. And even one above: Toronto. Take CV over Frye, as they said they wanted size? And teams after us, some took good guys, but passed on Green, Granger. My point is, Frye is a very talented big man, and Isiah saw this. Unlike many of you, he also saw the potential Frye still has of being a special player. Many teams were after him. Why? Because he has size and talent. That sometimes gives you an edge over other guys. Remember how this league lacks many talented bigs. We got one. And hopefully one that will be extremely better than some of you expect...
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6/29/2005  10:46 AM
hey martin, wanna close this thread too?
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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