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6/26/2005  5:43 PM
www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1021

8. New York Knicks- Andrew Bynum- This seems like probably the exact opposite direction in which Isaiah Thomas will head, but with no legit starting center prospect on the board and no real way for the Knicks to escape mediocrity over the next few seasons, this is the direction that they should head in if they are truly serious about one day bringing a championship the Big Apple. I’m not sure what their scouts think about Bynum or whether this is even a feasible possibility for the Knicks in a city like New York, but Bynum’s size, body, athleticism and upside are something that every team drafting from this point on will be hard pressed not to take a long hard look at as things start to get awfully murky around this point.
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6/26/2005  5:44 PM
told ya it was only a matter of time!
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6/26/2005  5:47 PM
I couldnt have wrote that better. Those are my exact points to a tee. If anyone wants to understand why ive been screaming about Bynum over Frye, READ this article. We are NOT going ANYWHERE with Frye. Wait until he is EXPOSED.
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6/26/2005  5:54 PM
Thats not a mock, Thats what they belive should happen not what will happen
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6/26/2005  6:31 PM
Hahaha, I find something very funny:

This mock has us taking Bynum at #8(lovin' it Briggs) and later on Toronto taking Frye at #16. Inverted from most mock drafts. One thing I find diificult, love him or not, is Frye slipping past the Warriors. If we make the surprise pick of Bynum, I think he goes #9 at GS, no matter if he is really worth it...
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6/26/2005  6:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I couldnt have wrote that better. Those are my exact points to a tee. If anyone wants to understand why ive been screaming about Bynum over Frye, READ this article. We are NOT going ANYWHERE with Frye. Wait until he is EXPOSED.

and what will you say when and if Bynum is exposed?
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6/26/2005  6:34 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1021

16. Toronto Raptors- Channing Frye- With the top four PG’s all off the board at this point and their needs on the wing filled with their earlier pick, the Raptors can afford to take a player with some size who can come in and be a decent rotational player right off the bat. Frye will get drafted higher than he should because of the fact that there just aren’t that many big men in this draft, but only time will tell us how much of a mistake that was. His NCAA career was underwhelming for the most part and there are major questions regarding whether he’s tough enough physically and mentally to be a factor in the league while playing extended minutes.

Did Briggs write this? Hmmmm, Im starting to second guess...
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6/26/2005  6:36 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I couldnt have wrote that better. Those are my exact points to a tee. If anyone wants to understand why ive been screaming about Bynum over Frye, READ this article. We are NOT going ANYWHERE with Frye. Wait until he is EXPOSED.

and what will you say when and if Bynum is exposed?

id rather bynum bust than take frye, thats my answer
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6/26/2005  6:37 PM
Read the heading of this mock draft by draftexpress. I still see Frye going to the Knicks at #8.

The “What SHOULD happen” Mock Draft (as opposed to “what will”)
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6/26/2005  6:38 PM
Ok, I'll say it:

Lets take Bynum with pick 8th, even if it is too high right now considering he won't help much next season. But do me a favor, get another first round pick this year because if we could somehow get Frye later on the draft (the mock has him going at 16) or another prospect at C or PF, we should (like getting a pick from 16-26 and get Taft).
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6/26/2005  6:47 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I couldnt have wrote that better. Those are my exact points to a tee. If anyone wants to understand why ive been screaming about Bynum over Frye, READ this article. We are NOT going ANYWHERE with Frye. Wait until he is EXPOSED.

and what will you say when and if Bynum is exposed?

id rather bynum bust than take frye, thats my answer

So you'd rather Bynum bust than Frye give us some nice numbers? lol Interesting.
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Posted by Knicksfan:

Hahaha, I find something very funny:

This mock has us taking Bynum at #8(lovin' it Briggs) and later on Toronto taking Frye at #16. Inverted from most mock drafts. One thing I find diificult, love him or not, is Frye slipping past the Warriors. If we make the surprise pick of Bynum, I think he goes #9 at GS, no matter if he is really worth it...

exactly!
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Posted by Knicksfan:

Ok, I'll say it:

Lets take Bynum with pick 8th, even if it is too high right now considering he won't help much next season. But do me a favor, get another first round pick this year because if we could somehow get Frye later on the draft (the mock has him going at 16) or another prospect at C or PF, we should (like getting a pick from 16-26 and get Taft).

I'll settlefor Bynum & Morris but if we can trade up from 30 and walk away with Bynum & Taft Isiah will get the key to the city!
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6/26/2005  7:01 PM
what i though the *plan* was, was to draft guys to form a new CORE team UNDERNEATH our 110mm$ payroll team.

I thought we would use the expiring contracts to bring in vets to let THIS team go now, while we develop and nourish a team underneath.

To throw Frye into the starting C spot in the NBA is a reach of monumental proportions. I thought if we drafted Bynum, we would bring him along---perhaps 10-12 minutes a game year 1, double the minutes in yr 2 and let him go year 3. At the same time we can be competitive while we slowly moved out the old replacing them with the young over 2-3 years. In 3 years Marbury is DONE--13 years in the league at his minutes with health problems already?

there is no cognitive plan here, never has been--its been switch and bait
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6/26/2005  7:11 PM
If Isiah knows Bynum has better potential than Frye, be sure that he will pick him. Maybe the Frye-Isiah hype is a smokescreen to make everyone think Frye is the better prospec, assuring Bynum will be there for when he picks.

"With a high school kid there is an up side and a down side," Thomas said. "I wasn't sure that Tracy would become a great player, but I thought he had the potential.

"When you're looking at the high schoolers, there's definitely a waiting period. However, they're sometimes well worth the wait and having to wait on somebody won't stop me from taking them."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/322636p-275843c.html

Who knows, this draft could go soooo many ways!

[Edited by - knicksfan on 06/26/2005 19:12:13]
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Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I couldnt have wrote that better. Those are my exact points to a tee. If anyone wants to understand why ive been screaming about Bynum over Frye, READ this article. We are NOT going ANYWHERE with Frye. Wait until he is EXPOSED.

and what will you say when and if Bynum is exposed?

id rather bynum bust than take frye, thats my answer

So you'd rather Bynum bust than Frye give us some nice numbers? lol Interesting.

Its a roll of the dice and a gamble.

Frye's upside is to replace Kurt Thomas- and I love KT.

Bynum's upside is an all star center.

You could assign a percentage- something like Frye is 95% likely to replace KT's numbers and Bynum is 5% likely to become an all star center in 5-7 years.

KT ain't getting us to the finals.

Did you watch the finals? Did you see the level of talent.

We need to swing for the fences and yes, we might look foolish, very foolish if Bynum is a bust in 3 years and Frye goes on to have a good career.
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6/26/2005  10:55 PM
high schoolers n big cities: lets all jump on the bynum bandwagon so we can jump off when he turns out like kwame brown. lets make sure we make those mistakes

i forgot, zeke will hire briggs to mentor

looks like warrick is the best kept secret....please dont bookmark this either

[Edited by - Bobby on 06/26/2005 23:01:46]
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6/26/2005  11:00 PM
Posted by Bobby:

high schoolers n big cities: lets all jump on the bynum bandwagon so we can jump off when he turns out like kwame brown. lets make sure we make those mistakes

i forgot, zeke will hire briggs to mentor

looks like warwick is the best kept secret....please dont bookmark this either

if Isiah drafts Bynum he won't be a bust. Isiah hasn't drafted a bust yet. I'd feel the same way about Frye if Isiah drafts him but he won't. If its not Bynum it'll be Green, Granger or Graham!
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6/26/2005  11:08 PM
I agree with Briggs, I would rather draft Bynum and have him bust then draft Frye at 8 because everyone already knows what your getting from Frye and the ceiling isnt nearly as high. Bynum has the size and has shown some raw ability to have a extremely high ceiling, which is why I'll live with drafting him and givin him his chance becuase at 7' 285, to me is already better then what Frye can offer us. Frye would make a really role player on a team that is already championship material but in no way is Frye someone you can build around and when you make the 8th pick in the NBA draft you better make damn sure you are getting someone you can build around. Too me the players that could be available that would be classified as this are Granger/Green/Bynum and possibly even Webster. I like Frye if the Knicks had the 15th pick and already had a good big man on the front line but not in the situation we are in now.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/26/2005 23:09:24]
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Posted by nyk4ever:

I agree with Briggs, I would rather draft Bynum and have him bust then draft Frye at 8 because everyone already knows what your getting from Frye and the ceiling isnt nearly as high. Bynum has the size and has shown some raw ability to have a extremely high ceiling, which is why I'll live with drafting him and givin him his chance becuase at 7' 285, to me is already better then what Frye can offer us. Frye would make a really role player on a team that is already championship material but in no way is Frye someone you can build around and when you make the 8th pick in the NBA draft you better make damn sure you are getting someone you can build around. Too me the players that could be available that would be classified as this are Granger/Green/Bynum and possibly even Webster. I like Frye if the Knicks had the 15th pick and already had a good big man on the front line but not in the situation we are in now.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/26/2005 23:09:24]

agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.
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