Team valuations and the Apron. Its not that Dolan is short of cash but the apron has tax ramifications but more important the inablity to be flexible for the roster. I Think its good business to not announce your willing to go over. I like that players are taking discounts as now they have skin in the game. If revenue sharing is the game then both sides are involved. Shoudl players have a stake in Valuations? Thats a whole different thing. Revenue is not about profitability, its a year to year way for players to participate. They raise ratings, revenue goes up. Pretty fair.

What has also happend with this current CBA it has ended the age of player empowerement. The days of Lebron, Durant, Harden, and others conspiring for "Superfriends" and holding teams hostage is not happening. Fans don't like it.

Whats funny is for decades knicks had financial advantages not afforded other teams and we sucked at taking advantage of it. In the age of parity, in the age a very substantial payroll ceiling/cap, we then go ahead and win a chip! Ironic, don't cha think?

EwingsGlass wrote:KAT looking skinny

He does!
Maybe he taking the Tim Duncan route to longevity with a leaner profile and continued fundamental development?
As for his money? Leon and company have my confidence. If there is no agreement (need not be made public) I'd assume we could trade him out and perhaps reboot? Not my preference defending a chip but one has to consider the odds of repeating vs. losing a major asset for no return.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:Objectively KAT is not top 10. He a top 10 center.
Wemby did finish 3rd in MVP voting.
Brunson MVP for playoffs!!!!!
KAT had a hell of a series but that does not put him over Wemby in these rankings.
One has ring, the other does not.

At times, KAT looked very Jokic.

Yes. Championship teams have players that all made each other better and he really became a multi tool player. Most impressive was his defense! He really stepped up.
IM not saying he not worth the money. He deserves a max or near max deal now. BUt that has not always been the case even in his two years here. He lead the league in fouls. Outside shooting woes. Not in any MVP conversation. He stepped up. Now its a different objective with different variables.

KAT Fulfilled his potential! Im cool putting him behind Jokic and Wemby as 3rd best in NBA at this moment. Part of it is he playing with a great team also!!!! I love the guy and hope he can stay.
Sure he loves NY. Not like there is another team in the city he can go to with picks and cap space if he wants the money and still be in NYC.

martin wrote:Jeremy of Knicks Film School mentioned this in latest stream: You can't really just extend 1 or 2 guys and leave the last one unattended. That makes sense to me from an organizational standpoint, for players and FO. KAT, Josh, and McBride will probably be figured out all around the same time, give or take.

and the agents will all be in the room to play the chess game.
Somewhat money, some what to stay, some want to win, some want stability.........
They got wives, Kids, etc.
Kat and his agent know what he does will have ramifications. Same for Jalen and his plans.
This is an era where no team can have its cake and eat it too. Same for players. Jalen wants to win and get paid.
I'll assume they all do. Nothing original here with that. But, not everyone can get market value, stay, and win.

I believe Leon himself recently extended his deal to stay which itself is major as he is tasked to not just extend this run but perhaps sustain a competitive roster? That is not easy given the fondness fans have for this group.

That said, its won't be easy to move Deuce, Josh hart, and perhaps Mikal for value form an emotional place. OG has massive value but if team is not confident in his health long term thats something to consider.
Current bias is a bitch!

Leon up to? If so its going to be facinationg how he handles things.

Nalod wrote:Athletic interview on Towns is cool. Mentioned the Jimmy Butler thing with Thibs, him, and Wiggins.
Jimmy blasted them both.
Wiggins got a chip.
Towns Got a chip.
Jimmy don't.
Thibs as coach and team president was perhaps not his strongest role and Jimmy did not handle that situation right.
Im happy for KAT and hope he and Knicks can come to a mutually beneficial contract.
KAT deserves his money but being on a great team as he said has liberated him. Can't put a price on that. Going forward is a different matter.

Good read. Free article

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SupremeCommander wrote:I am starting to get worries about the Knicks!!! It's like old times...

The Knicks are about to spun into a new company, where the only thing that matters to investors is Knicks operations.

After years of reckless spending, we finally get a chip and now there is nothing but austerity measures on the table.

Look at companies like Jersey Mike's and Chipotle... they got sold to investors and their product is ****tier than it was. Everyone was worried about the cost of product as opposed to letting the customer be happy with this overstuffed entree.

I read they are asking KAT to leave $75 million on the table... as a dad, I think I could leave some money on the table... but $75 million? That could fund five future generations, easy....

So what, we're going to extend Brunson, let KAT and maybe Hart walk, and then be locked into a borderline play-in team???

I fear letting Mitch walk was only the beginning, unfortunately

Every team in the league has operated to avoid apron pentalties. Celtics traded away key staples in their chip run with Jrue & KP to avoid apron penalties. Then moved Jaylen Brown. Knicks were able to get Towns due to Minny being fearfull of apron penalties.

Being in the 2nd apron can lead to losing draft picks, and prevents you from making any possible flexible moves to improve your roster.

There should be some type of stipulation though with home grown draft players &/or possibly players that have been with a team for say over 5 years. Especially a player like Mitch who was drafted and played for the Knicks for 8 seasons. This is a better route to go for the sport, players, and fans of a team.

EwingsGlass wrote:I doubt anyone is thinking about extensions in the context of the proposed Expansion and the expansion draft the summer of 2028. If we assume the 2004 rules continue -- teams will be able to protect 8 players in 2028, we currently have several key players under contract for that season. Now, UFAs are exempt from the expansion draft. They can re-sign here. Or not.

1) OG 'That was awesome" Anunoby
2) Brunson
3) KAT
4) Bridges
5) Hart
6) [Deuce] (assume he re-signs for this exercise)
7) Diaware
8) Shamet
9) Alvarado

If you extend Kat and Hart now, you have to decide whether to use protected player slots on them. And you have 8-9 players you ideally would keep. But if any young players start emerging - Nickel, maybe Wiseman or Agbaji earn out on their roster tryouts. Start to develop. All of a sudden, you are re-evaluating a championship core versus depth.

If they just play out their contracts and sign in 2028, you can protect 2 more players and re-sign them then. Or they can sign anywhere else. There is risk. But the way to guaranty they stay and not at the cost of any developmental prospects to wait. I understand that KAT and Hart might want certainty. Maybe they earned it. But I think there is this other aspect that hasn't really been mentioned.

Odds are high Deuce won't be on the roster next season unless something unforseen happens and Josh Hart is no longer on the team. Kolek would be protected and Alvarado would be left off. Way higher probability that an expansion team would bypass Alvarado. While Kolek would be an ideal player to nab for an expansion team.

With that said someone like Tyler Nickel would be at great risk of being nabbed depending on what he flashes during his rookie season.