TheGame wrote:If we resign Mitch, we are going over the second apron. There is no way around it. I would definitely trade Dadiet now that we resigned Mo. we should end up being only made $6-$8 mill over the second apron.

Right. And maybe being over by just a little bit is intriguing to the front office because they can get under easily if they need to. But my guess is this; Knicks aren’t ready to start that clock yet. Once you’re over, you can only be over 1 more time in a 5 year window. I think there’s a longterm approach that’s happening here.

For what it’s worth, there’s a path to moving Dadiet to create extra space, and maybe opening up enough room under the second apron to bring back shamet for a little less but having the taxpayer MLE of about 6M in year 1 (2 year deal) to replace Mitch at center. This is the contract given to Yabusele last year. Hopefully this time it would work out better. But that’s basically asking Shamet to take around the same starting salary of 6M or even slightly less.

Will fans be patient given we got a chip if Brown does the "Experiment" thing again? By that, this time use yoot off the bench and let them evolve over the season? By that, bigger roles but with a perspectime things come to fruition by seasons end?
Or do we run it back with the goal to win 60 games and attempt to prove it was more than a playoff run/fluke?

Fans don't like the unknown.

nycericanguy wrote:Feels like the time to go ALL IN should be now, our guys are in their primes and this group deserves a shot to defend the title.

Mitch is needed against Wemby who could easily be back in the finals again next season. KAT has been very healthy here in NY but what if he misses significant time?

Saving the 2nd apron for 2 years down the line? IDK alot can happen by then and our guys will be aging.

If KAT misses significant time then we are relying on more than Mitch. If KAT were hurt in the playoffs you simply aren’t replacing him. My issue with Mitch he is still won’t play back to backs, will average low minutes even when KAT is out, and will be fouled to extreme levels in the playoffs which limited him to 14 mpg in the playoffs. Are we going over the second apron for 14 mpg ?

Knixkik wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Feels like the time to go ALL IN should be now, our guys are in their primes and this group deserves a shot to defend the title.

Mitch is needed against Wemby who could easily be back in the finals again next season. KAT has been very healthy here in NY but what if he misses significant time?

Saving the 2nd apron for 2 years down the line? IDK alot can happen by then and our guys will be aging.

If KAT misses significant time then we are relying on more than Mitch. If KAT were hurt in the playoffs you simply aren’t replacing him. My issue with Mitch he is still won’t play back to backs, will average low minutes even when KAT is out, and will be fouled to extreme levels in the playoffs which limited him to 14 mpg in the playoffs. Are we going over the second apron for 14 mpg ?

Mitch is more than capable of filling in if KAT were to miss 25-30 games.

nycericanguy wrote:Last night was confusing because if we are staying under the 2A and losing Mitch, ok, sucks but it is what it is. but now we are not drafting guys either? if we aren't signing Mitch why do we need to trade away picks and potential young prospects? So the plan is muddled right now, and we have a great FO and I have to trust, but its murky right now.

First round picks are more expensive than vet minimum guys. If the Knicks are losing Mitch they would prefer to replace him with vets than tying up 3M in a player who they don’t think can help them now. I think that’s what it boils down to. Even without resigning Mitch, they will be up against the second apron and every dollar and roster spot counts.

Nalod wrote:Curious........

Will fans be patient given we got a chip if Brown does the "Experiment" thing again? By that, this time use yoot off the bench and let them evolve over the season? By that, bigger roles but with a perspectime things come to fruition by seasons end?
Or do we run it back with the goal to win 60 games and attempt to prove it was more than a playoff run/fluke?

Fans don't like the unknown.

I don't know about anyone else but Brown has a 1 year do no wrong pass from me.

nycericanguy wrote:Last night was confusing because if we are staying under the 2A and losing Mitch, ok, sucks but it is what it is. but now we are not drafting guys either? if we aren't signing Mitch why do we need to trade away picks and potential young prospects? So the plan is muddled right now, and we have a great FO and I have to trust, but its murky right now.

Depends on who is available. The guy we drafted the guard from Spain is obviously not a Center. Rose went BPA which is fine. An NBA team can’t have open roster spots to avoid second apron because the league automatically applies a vet minimum cap hit to the open roster spot.

Most likely Rose sees Huk who is RFA as a viable replacement and he is probably right

One way or another Mitch is probably not on the roster a year or 2 from now. Sacrifices & risk associated with punting on the first round and passing on Carr/Reed. Sacrifices and risk associated with going over the 2nd apron if this ends up being the case next season. Allowing the Knicks to only be able to go over 1 more time within 5 years.

Will all be for 1-2 season with Mitch.

Panos wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Just want to give kudos to this front office. Really wasn't sure what their overall game plan would be, but they've given me the comfort to just sit back and relax while they work their magic. I have no doubt they've had their strategy in place for months on how they wanted to either keep or improve this roster going into next year, barring an absolute flameout in the post season, and really can't imagine winning the title has them taking their foot off the gas. Still expect we enter the 2nd, even if the early queues suggest otherwise.

I tend to think Mitch stays - he's too impactful, and Huk is not the replacement. Numbers are what they are, but the FO has walked the fine line so well up to this point, I assume this is accounted for in their plan, provided he doesn't get $20M/yr offers. Seems like we hit our marks with the Diawara signing and the pick conversions last night. Definitely encouraging, even as fans got tempted, then disappointed, by Carr last night. Jose or Deuce, as much as I love both, seem to be the easiest pieces to let one of them go and let Kolek step into the role for year 3.

Let's say they DON'T keep Mitch. What are the options to replace him off the bench? Which FA would you target, or do we need a trade at that point?

I’m signing Drummond and drafting Veesaar as a developmental center.
A trade for Missi or Kalkbrenner would be other options.