martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Made himself lots of cheddar in these playoffs

yup. definitely won't be able to resign him, which sucks for us but good for him. Hopefully, Deuce can fill in on that role.

The Knicks can offer him 104% of the MLE next year - his early bird rights - up to 4 years I think? So the only thing that the Knicks can't beat is something that started at above the MLE and was cap space for a team at something more than $15.5M.

That's what teams got to beat. I don't think teams are that much in the hunt to start him at $17M of raw cap space?

True but I think that’s based on taxpayer MLE. most teams over the cap can still offer non taxpayer MLE. I would love to have him back and if he takes a hometown discount great I just can’t see nobody offering him a deal after he lit it up for the entire playoffs

Will be interesting to see what Jose does. Does he opt out or stay the last year of his contract

huh? You are not making sense. The Knicks can offer Shamet 104% of the MLE. So they can exceed any team with the MLE. So any team that wants to sign Shamet away from Knicks will need to have at least $16M in cap space to use on him.

Those are the options. They are very black and white.

And no one is paying him that much money. Not even close. His success is very clearly tied to his role on the Knicks. He is not some elite player that teams are going to try and overpay.

Nalod wrote:PHilC not reading the reports that Knicks are prepared to go over the apron for two years and bring Mitch and shamet back?
I think how both do in this series might determine their fate? Knicks win you run it back. Nice two year deals with team option.

I doubt most GM's are guilible to to players getting hot and siging them to big money based on a hot streak even if its in the sportlight.
Not saying it hurts by any stretch. Have to look at their body of work, age, injury history, ceiling, etc. Also not all teams need the same thing. Philly could say they like Shamet better than Grimes and give him 8mm per year for two years. That he spend a year in Bkn, and two with knicks matter? He has a relationship with a NY girl, it might. Building a life here might matter? Thoughts a post playing career?

Knicks fall short they have to look in the mirror and decide can they get better and what will that take. Leon traded DDV after signiing him for 4 year deal. That was a bit cold but we got better.

Using terms like "definitly" when the outcome is not known is not something logical.
As for Diawara? A guy not in this rotation now is a very big mystery. We could lose him. Can we sign and trade him? Not saying we should, and for sure not knowing what comes in return but I'd say he holds value as very good 1st round pick if an opportunity presents itself.

Two outcomes perhaps depending on if we celebrating a chip or gearing up for another run.

Knicks going over the second apron is a big possibility, but it comes down to what they are willing to pay Mitch. If he agreed to a reasonable 2-year deal then they probably do it. If he doesn’t, they probably let him walk and stay below the second apron. They can only go over for 2 consecutive years, and after that, this core will be changed to some degree, so I think it comes down to how they feel specifically about Mitch. I did a breakdown of the money on the draft thread, but in short they can stay under easily if they want to bring back shamet and Diawara but let Mitch walk. It really comes down to where they are at with Mitch.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:PHilC not reading the reports that Knicks are prepared to go over the apron for two years and bring Mitch and shamet back?
I think how both do in this series might determine their fate? Knicks win you run it back. Nice two year deals with team option.

I doubt most GM's are guilible to to players getting hot and siging them to big money based on a hot streak even if its in the sportlight.
Not saying it hurts by any stretch. Have to look at their body of work, age, injury history, ceiling, etc. Also not all teams need the same thing. Philly could say they like Shamet better than Grimes and give him 8mm per year for two years. That he spend a year in Bkn, and two with knicks matter? He has a relationship with a NY girl, it might. Building a life here might matter? Thoughts a post playing career?

Knicks fall short they have to look in the mirror and decide can they get better and what will that take. Leon traded DDV after signiing him for 4 year deal. That was a bit cold but we got better.

Using terms like "definitly" when the outcome is not known is not something logical.
As for Diawara? A guy not in this rotation now is a very big mystery. We could lose him. Can we sign and trade him? Not saying we should, and for sure not knowing what comes in return but I'd say he holds value as very good 1st round pick if an opportunity presents itself.

Two outcomes perhaps depending on if we celebrating a chip or gearing up for another run.

Knicks going over the second apron is a big possibility, but it comes down to what they are willing to pay Mitch. If he agreed to a reasonable 2-year deal then they probably do it. If he doesn’t, they probably let him walk and stay below the second apron. They can only go over for 2 consecutive years, and after that, this core will be changed to some degree, so I think it comes down to how they feel specifically about Mitch. I did a breakdown of the money on the draft thread, but in short they can stay under easily if they want to bring back shamet and Diawara but let Mitch walk. It really comes down to where they are at with Mitch.

Yes, so many variables and that does not include the players leon has on a list he might see shaking lose.
WTF happend to his pinkie BTW? We read of his "mental health" and now this all he not talking to media about? That break I read. is called "Boxers" type break so he might have hit somehing in anger? Like his truck? A wall? He caving in do to some domestic issue with his marriage? Its none of our business but it might speak to signing someone to a contract? I love the guy but is a business also.

Maybe Leon has designs to bring back iHart? That team option at 28mil has a lot of factors behind it. Im not really following Thunder other than thats a big number for him and Chet **** the bed vs. Wemby/Spurs. Fans react without patience so who knows what his value or if they planning to do anything there. They won 64 games this year. Shit happens in playoffs. Chet just turned 24 last month and that big contract hits next season. Jaylin Williams on a nice contract for the next 2 years at under 8mm per.
They could give ihart a longer smaller per annual deal vs. 28mm.

Who might be on Leons radar? We are just left to enjoy the finals and see what happens and how it happens.

Nalod wrote:PHilC not reading the reports that Knicks are prepared to go over the apron for two years and bring Mitch and shamet back?
I think how both do in this series might determine their fate? Knicks win you run it back. Nice two year deals with team option.

I doubt most GM's are guilible to to players getting hot and siging them to big money based on a hot streak even if its in the sportlight.

Jerome James would like to have a word..lol.

Are there reports of Dolan preparing to go over the apron? genuinely asking. Enjoying watching both Mitch and Shamet in Knicks jersey but. for different reasons, I'm ok to watching them both walk or traded.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Made himself lots of cheddar in these playoffs

yup. definitely won't be able to resign him, which sucks for us but good for him. Hopefully, Deuce can fill in on that role.

The Knicks can offer him 104% of the MLE next year - his early bird rights - up to 4 years I think? So the only thing that the Knicks can't beat is something that started at above the MLE and was cap space for a team at something more than $15.5M.

That's what teams got to beat. I don't think teams are that much in the hunt to start him at $17M of raw cap space?

True but I think that’s based on taxpayer MLE. most teams over the cap can still offer non taxpayer MLE. I would love to have him back and if he takes a hometown discount great I just can’t see nobody offering him a deal after he lit it up for the entire playoffs

Will be interesting to see what Jose does. Does he opt out or stay the last year of his contract

huh? You are not making sense. The Knicks can offer Shamet 104% of the MLE. So they can exceed any team with the MLE. So any team that wants to sign Shamet away from Knicks will need to have at least $16M in cap space to use on him.

Those are the options. They are very black and white.

And no one is paying him that much money. Not even close. His success is very clearly tied to his role on the Knicks. He is not some elite player that teams are going to try and overpay.

The way Chet played in game 7 I rather pay shamet 16 mil vs Chet’s 41 mil. Shamet deserves whatever money he can get and he should be grateful for whatever the Knicks give him.

I’m not the money guy on this thread, but with Leon i trust he will make the right decision. I just know shamet could be the answer in this series.

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Made himself lots of cheddar in these playoffs

yup. definitely won't be able to resign him, which sucks for us but good for him. Hopefully, Deuce can fill in on that role.

The Knicks can offer him 104% of the MLE next year - his early bird rights - up to 4 years I think? So the only thing that the Knicks can't beat is something that started at above the MLE and was cap space for a team at something more than $15.5M.

That's what teams got to beat. I don't think teams are that much in the hunt to start him at $17M of raw cap space?

True but I think that’s based on taxpayer MLE. most teams over the cap can still offer non taxpayer MLE. I would love to have him back and if he takes a hometown discount great I just can’t see nobody offering him a deal after he lit it up for the entire playoffs

Will be interesting to see what Jose does. Does he opt out or stay the last year of his contract

huh? You are not making sense. The Knicks can offer Shamet 104% of the MLE. So they can exceed any team with the MLE. So any team that wants to sign Shamet away from Knicks will need to have at least $16M in cap space to use on him.

Those are the options. They are very black and white.

And no one is paying him that much money. Not even close. His success is very clearly tied to his role on the Knicks. He is not some elite player that teams are going to try and overpay.

The way Chet played in game 7 I rather pay shamet 16 mil vs Chet’s 41 mil. Shamet deserves whatever money he can get and he should be grateful for whatever the Knicks give him.

I’m not the money guy on this thread, but with Leon i trust he will make the right decision. I just know shamet could be the answer in this series.

Shamet is the baseball bat

and

The Spurs are the pinata

Book it

BlueKnickers wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WTF happend to his pinkie BTW? We read of his "mental health" and now this all he not talking to media about? That break I read. is called "Boxers" type break so he might have hit somehing in anger? Like his truck? A wall? He caving in do to some domestic issue with his marriage?

I hate to break the bad news to ya bud, but it was after reading one of your posts

Not that he broke his and on someone, but in anger hit something..........