blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Or do we even have the personnel to run browns system effectively? How much flexibility is in browns system? This roster has talent but only on certain sides of the court. So unless everyone is operating in their greatness, there will be some games where we look like a play in team.

Well. We aren't doing that many " sprays" . Towns is not able to assist because no one is cutting. I feel like we are doing only 50% ( if that) of what this system can be

ramtour420 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Or do we even have the personnel to run browns system effectively? How much flexibility is in browns system? This roster has talent but only on certain sides of the court. So unless everyone is operating in their greatness, there will be some games where we look like a play in team.

Well. We aren't doing that many " sprays" . Towns is not able to assist because no one is cutting. I feel like we are doing only 50% ( if that) of what this system can be

I am with you. Doesn’t feel like they are running a cohesive offense. At least not at the caliber of Boston or some other teams. The comments about not having the right personnel are dated. Boston is running their system without Tatum and doing fine. You need Derrick White types more than high usage guys. We have Derrick White types.

I’m curious if Brown has the balls to run the offense through Towns instead of Brunson and make Brunson more of a 1st option for Towns. Use some Curry-lite sets to get Brunson a good shot. Send OG and Bridges on cuts off those screens. Get heliocentric around the Bodega.

BlueKnickers wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Or do we even have the personnel to run browns system effectively? How much flexibility is in browns system? This roster has talent but only on certain sides of the court. So unless everyone is operating in their greatness, there will be some games where we look like a play in team.

Well. We aren't doing that many " sprays" . Towns is not able to assist because no one is cutting. I feel like we are doing only 50% ( if that) of what this system can be

I am with you. Doesn’t feel like they are running a cohesive offense. At least not at the caliber of Boston or some other teams. The comments about not having the right personnel are dated. Boston is running their system without Tatum and doing fine. You need Derrick White types more than high usage guys. We have Derrick White types.

I’m curious if Brown has the balls to run the offense through Towns instead of Brunson and make Brunson more of a 1st option for Towns. Use some Curry-lite sets to get Brunson a good shot. Send OG and Bridges on cuts off those screens. Get heliocentric around the Bodega.

This is definitely a balls issue.

The franchise defers to Brunson.

Brown needs to change the locks and tell the players he holds the keys.

Until then the team will lack cohesion because Brunson has proven he is not a leader by example on the court.

There is not necessarily anything wrong with Brown's approach, but if the players don't implement it then it has become an authority issue.

You could have the best ideas in the world, but without buy-in you're a philosopher king pissing in the wind.

I think your mostly on the right. THere is also just the issue of difficluty as the season progresses the team installing more schemaitics and it just is simply about execution and adjustments as what the opponent does is important. Now if Say towns/Brunson/Mikal and others are resistant as its not in their best interests its another story. They might just be set in their ways? Many reasons for a team not executing properly. A coach imposing his will to a group of expereinced professonals is complicated.

We are seeing KAT doing better on defense of late. Often a coach demanding more in one area can take away from another. But that could change over a few weeks? I'd hope so.

OG I doubt practiced much with is toe injury. Hopefully his issues resolves itself.

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Brunson is a shoot first pg like Baron Davis. He’s not a fast break waiting to happen like Steve Nash or Jason Kidd in his younger years.

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Brunson is a shoot first pg like Baron Davis. He’s not a fast break waiting to happen like Steve Nash or Jason Kidd in his younger years.

He never was. What drew him the most attention was him scoring and carrying the Mavs in the playoffs when Luka was out.

However, playing devil's advocate here because I wish he could put up at least the scoring and assist numbers of a guy like Luka....

IMO, Brunson is the only constant in the Knicks offense for several years now. Mikal, OG, even Towns disappear. This team went from a Brunson centric offense (where Towns flourished to a degree) to trying to get all these other guys involved that are just not consistent. The most consistent scorers Brunson has played with to this point are probably Randle and DiVincenzo, in that you can count on them to at least get their averages consistently. They hen surrounded Brunson with guys who literally would depend on him to score (OG, Mikal with the corner threes). Towns to me has totally not been the player he was in Minny.

Going to a totally different system without changing any major personnel was probably a miscalculation. Maybe it would have been better to hire a defensive guy like Thibs with the intensity ramped down and a willingness to spot some younger players minutes. Maybe this team needs to get back to relying on defense (with this personnel) and a simple offense that has just a little more motion.

I was talking to my brother when they played the Pistons and I made an observation. I feel like these Knicks are like Rocky from Rocky III. Feels like this team is just trying to be something it's not, and the Pistons are the parallel as Mr. T.

Feel like these guys need to get back to basics because I am not sure the personnel is fitting the system. They will have flashed when everyone is hitting on all cylinders (like against the Spurs), but more often then not they are struggling (even though they are a good team with a very good record) to be where they are now.

BlueKnickers wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:The ideas are nice. We aren't doing it. 24 assists against Detroit is not what his offensive system is supposed to be. Yes it's a good system, but we still aren't playing it like we can

Brunson is a shoot first pg like Baron Davis. He’s not a fast break waiting to happen like Steve Nash or Jason Kidd in his younger years.

He never was. What drew him the most attention was him scoring and carrying the Mavs in the playoffs when Luka was out.

However, playing devil's advocate here because I wish he could put up at least the scoring and assist numbers of a guy like Luka....

IMO, Brunson is the only constant in the Knicks offense for several years now. Mikal, OG, even Towns disappear. This team went from a Brunson centric offense (where Towns flourished to a degree) to trying to get all these other guys involved that are just not consistent. The most consistent scorers Brunson has played with to this point are probably Randle and DiVincenzo, in that you can count on them to at least get their averages consistently. They hen surrounded Brunson with guys who literally would depend on him to score (OG, Mikal with the corner threes). Towns to me has totally not been the player he was in Minny.

Going to a totally different system without changing any major personnel was probably a miscalculation. Maybe it would have been better to hire a defensive guy like Thibs with the intensity ramped down and a willingness to spot some younger players minutes. Maybe this team needs to get back to relying on defense (with this personnel) and a simple offense that has just a little more motion.

I was talking to my brother when they played the Pistons and I made an observation. I feel like these Knicks are like Rocky from Rocky III. Feels like this team is just trying to be something it's not, and the Pistons are the parallel as Mr. T.

Feel like these guys need to get back to basics because I am not sure the personnel is fitting the system. They will have flashed when everyone is hitting on all cylinders (like against the Spurs), but more often then not they are struggling (even though they are a good team with a very good record) to be where they are now.

The reason the Spurs game was such a success is defense led to offense. Lots of those makes were triggered off defensive pressure. That's an identity they can build on. They handled the hottest team in the league with relative ease once they locked in as a team defensively. Now they have to show that ability to stop the Pistons on defense.

There is almost never an issue with scoring for this team when they come together on the defensive end. You're overstating the weakness of our scorers outside of Brunson, because our five starters all average 10-20 PPG individually for a combined per game average of 90 points.

Last year the Knicks played best when defense led to offense. You made my point for me, even though you seemed to dispute it.

Idc what they average. 30 in one game and 2 in the next game is a 16 point average. i never said they couldn't score. I said they couldn't be counted on to score consistently . I'm not wrong.

MY take is the Knicks ceiling is higher but execution seems still not what we all think it could be. Maybe we peaked with this roster? Maybe this is as good as it gets? In this age its not as hard as it used to be to be compettive but that next level is really hard.
They "went for it". That means they could fall short also. Thats the more probable outcome but I'll stick to parity being what it is and the playoffs are a tournament in some fashion. A lot things can break our way but we one sprained ankle from elimination all the same. All teams have this btw.
Who feels good about their team? OKC should. Spurs? they are young and untested. But very talented!
Detroit? Cade lungs could be an issue. They too are untested having not won a playoff series! The doubts are valid.

Hey, we the Emerites cup champion! Maybe we built for the playoffs. We gonna find out soon enough.

We'll see how the playoffs go but I don't have a good feeling about this group.

SergioNYK wrote:Brown is and has been a 'C' student. I think any other coach we hired could have also won 50 games with this roster. Even someone inexperienced as say Micah Nori. Brown has not done anything special imho.

We'll see how the playoffs go but I don't have a good feeling about this group.

Probably true. This roster will win games by talent alone even if they don't contend, regardless of who is coaching.

Rookie wrote:Our best player is pretty useless when you ask him to act like a point guard. That’s not really on the coach.

KAT had more assists than Brunson usually gets

Bridges was unlocked and had his best game in over a month

Both guys were loose and having fun

Both of them have been handicapped by our style of play with Brunson as PG