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Game #2 Thread: 5/7 7pm Can Knicks steal another?
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Panos
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5/6/2025  10:03 PM
Remember that 2008 ad where that dork says: "You hear that, Boston? Formidable!"
We'll it took 17 years, but maybe it finally can be said without irony!

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5/7/2025  6:02 AM
Let's match Indiana in going up 2-0 with another road win.
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5/7/2025  6:48 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:Let's match Indiana in going up 2-0 with another road win.

What's up with this 2nd round?! 5 games so far, all road teams have won. Got to keep it up!

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5/7/2025  7:02 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:Let's match Indiana in going up 2-0 with another road win.
What's up with this 2nd round?! 5 games so far, all road teams have won. Got to keep it up!

Might be the most interesting post season, like, ever. Anything can happen, at this point.

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5/7/2025  7:46 AM
Panos wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:Let's match Indiana in going up 2-0 with another road win.
What's up with this 2nd round?! 5 games so far, all road teams have won. Got to keep it up!

Might be the most interesting post season, like, ever. Anything can happen, at this point.

Ratings are up. Parity brings an unpredictable element to the games. Injuries matter and teams with lessor talent can up the contact and who knows what happens, TV viewership is up. This **** is interesting.

What is the "Silver conspiracy" now? With Lakers and Clippers out, no big market team in SOCAL. Or was only use it when convenient?

What else is new, League wants its stars in prime time. Jordan was money back in the day and he pulled in the ratings in the NBC TV era of "Must see TV". The model was different then.

I'll assume preference is Knicks or Boston in finals as Tatum is still the best player in the east but Brunson's star is rising. The little guy who looks less like a GQ model and more like the common man is for sure being hyped.

Halliburton? The kid is obnoxious but he is getting it done.

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5/7/2025  9:14 AM
I said it a bunch of times that Celtics are flappable and historically have had a shaky resolve. Last year they were just so good it didn't matter. But when the going gets tough they have folded in the past. They are also clearly not 100%. KP and Brown are not themselves and neither in Jrue. I hope we smell blood.
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5/7/2025  9:39 AM
BOS def looks beatable, and with OKC and CLE losing. This could be our championship series if we manage to pull it out.
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5/7/2025  9:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/7/2025  9:39 AM
Deuce is the wildcard in this series, I think if he can get back to playing like last season he solves alot for us.
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5/7/2025  9:45 AM
nycericanguy wrote:BOS def looks beatable, and with OKC and CLE losing. This could be our championship series if we manage to pull it out.

Indiana won't be a cake walk. That's not a matchup I like.

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5/7/2025  10:05 AM
nycericanguy wrote:BOS def looks beatable, and with OKC and CLE losing. This could be our championship series if we manage to pull it out.

Start your engines conspiracy theorists

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5/7/2025  10:05 AM
Panos wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:BOS def looks beatable, and with OKC and CLE losing. This could be our championship series if we manage to pull it out.

Indiana won't be a cake walk. That's not a matchup I like.

I would take them over Cle or Bos any time
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5/7/2025  10:26 AM
Indiana looks really good, but we match up pretty well with them and it's hard to tell how much they are benefitting from their opponents being injured all the time.
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5/7/2025  10:36 AM
DLeethal wrote:Indiana looks really good, but we match up pretty well with them and it's hard to tell how much they are benefitting from their opponents being injured all the time.
they have a really good bench, but literally all of our starting 5 are better, if not by much. They are a good team. They play 7-8 very good players. We play 5 excellent players with nobody to really back them up. If we get big contributions from Mitch/McBride I think we can literally win a chip and compete with anyone
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5/7/2025  10:36 AM
DLeethal wrote:Indiana looks really good, but we match up pretty well with them and it's hard to tell how much they are benefitting from their opponents being injured all the time.

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5/7/2025  10:50 AM
A win tonight would be nice but I'm not expecting it. We did what we had to do and steal one of the first two.
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5/7/2025  11:15 AM
SergioNYK wrote:A win tonight would be nice but I'm not expecting it. We did what we had to do and steal one of the first two.
kinda my take as well. Monica made a great point in the post game. Knicks HAD to have this game. They got a bad shooting night from Boston and had to find a way to get a win there.

GREAT thing about winning game 1 is how well the Knicks play after a loss. So winning the first one means a lot to this group.

It's Thibs. It's Brunson. It's Josh. It's OG. I think those 4 guys are the one's smelling blood and I suspect we come out in game 2 with high intensity. I said before the series the one thing that really gave me hope was KAT/Mikal showed vs. Det they had a "playoff gear" they did not really show in the regular season. They surely showed that in game 1. Both didnt have big scoring nights but made tons of physical plays. The way the thing ended with our finesse player ripping the ball from Brown and chucking was just next level ****.

I thought with KAT/Bridges showing another gear and reasonable contributions from Mitch/McBride we got a punchers chance. Still feel exactly the same way.

It WAS wild watching the Celtics refuse to adjust. My god and Thibs gets murdered by this fan base. Any screen or switch that got you Brunson/Kat just shoot it. When those guys defended and challenged the jumpshooter the adjustment was to do more of that

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5/7/2025  11:38 AM
Thought this was a nice article:


Knicks finally find way to take down Celtics: Switch up their entire identity
Jared Weiss, Fred Katz


BOSTON — Karl-Anthony Towns had never played quite this way.

Not during the regular season. Not at the end of his run with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Not even before then, when Tom Thibodeau, who now leads the New York Knicks, was his head coach.

Monday evening, more than any other, was the night that Towns switched, jostling off his primary defensive assignments while guarding pick-and-rolls to take on the Boston Celtics’ nastiest perimeter threats.

These were not the Knicks — and not the Towns — that occasionally shook up coverages throughout the regular season but never went to this one so consistently, one that places the All-Star 7-footer front and center against perilous creators.

Now, a team that looks like the Knicks, smells like the Knicks and walks like the Knicks leads the defending-champion Celtics 1-0 in a second-round playoff series. Of course, in storming back from down 20 points during a Game 1 victory Monday, that group did not act like the Knicks.

From the onset of the Boston series, New York switched pick-and-rolls with more gumption than ever.

“(When) switching, (you’re) trying to take away some of their 3s: catch-and-shoot, pick-and-pop 3s,” Knicks wing Josh Hart said. “(We are) making sure when we do switch that the guy is not on an island. He has two, three (teammates) behind him ready to help, ready to step up, and just make it difficult for them. It was good for us to go out there and execute defensively for the game plan.”

The goal, as Hart explained, was explicit: Switching on pick-and-rolls could limit Boston’s intense 3-point barrage.

During the regular season, the Knicks switched on a shade below 15 percent of opponents’ pick-and-rolls, the second-lowest figure in the NBA, according to Second Spectrum. But something had to change to beat Boston for the first time this season. They switched on 38 percent of the Celtics’ pick-and-rolls in Game 1, the highest single-game rate of their season.

Towns kept finding himself at the center of it.

The five-time All-Star defended a screener on 28 pick-and-rolls. He switched on 13 of them, tying his career high, which came during a historic 2020 banger against the Sacramento Kings. How could any true basketball romantic forget the breathtaking evening half a decade ago when a middling Sacramento squad downed the 19-win Timberwolves?

Monday was extreme for Towns, even compared to that unforgettable night.

He switched 46 percent of the time he guarded the back end of a pick-and-roll in Game 1. Until then, his season high for a game was 15 percent. He hadn’t switched on more than four pick-and-rolls in a game since the Knicks acquired him in October.

Thibodeau mixed in different pick-and-roll coverages throughout the season, some more conservative for Towns and others more aggressive. Towns dabbled with a switch or two when the Knicks faced the Celtics late in the regular season, a hint of what was to come.

The Orlando Magic switched constantly against the Celtics in Round 1, limiting Boston to its three least voluminous 3-point performances of the season. This latest game was the Knicks’ bid to do the same. Boston tossed up a playoff-record 60 3-pointers in Game 1, but missed an unprecedented 45 of them in the process.

“It’s something that we’ve seen all year, and (the Knicks) haven’t done it,” Celtics big Al Horford said. “But I feel like it doesn’t matter who the opponent is. It’s just always we just kind of go to what happens if this happens or what happens if they go the other way.”

Switching on pick-and-rolls is a common basketball strategy that even New York will roll out when necessary during the regular season. Two defenders, one guarding the ballhandler and the other guarding the screener, will flip their assignments as opponents near each other, disrupting the action in the process. When two like-sized defenders are involved, such as Knicks wings OG Anunoby and Mikal Bridges, a switch is automatic.

But for Towns, it’s been anything but that.

Switching with Towns means sending his ever-floppy size 20s not just far from the basket but also onto facilitators who are well-equipped to score on him. It puts more pressure on a foul-prone defender not to judo chop drivers. It’s a tall task for Towns, who committed five hacks Monday, including one on a Jayson Tatum 3-point attempt that followed a switch.

Against the Celtics, the most gluttonous 3-point hunters in league history, the consequences of Towns’ defensive exuberance were worth the upside. The Knicks put him in all sorts of matchups, challenging him to handle a variety of tasks outside his typical role. Sometimes, he thrived; sometimes, he struggled. On occasion, such as on the below play, it took Anunoby literally pushing him in the right direction to make it work.

Switching on pick-and-rolls can slow down the Boston’s 3-point onslaught. The Celtics will drive and kick endlessly until they create open, stand-still 3-pointers. If only the two guys defending the action have to move, then the other Knicks aren’t as vulnerable.

Tatum and Jaylen Brown can create good looks for their teammates in crunch time, but not all of those 3s were the familiarly cushy Celtics jumpers.

Even when Tatum dragged Towns out of position and finagled by him, Hart and Anunoby were ready to to help into the paint, disrupt driving or passing lanes, then fly back to shooters on the perimeter. When Brown drove at Towns in overtime, Bridges helped from the corner, forcing Brown to halt and toss a pass into Bridges’ hands.

As long as Towns had his wings behind him, he was able to hold up his end of the bargain. But this wasn’t unique to Towns.

The Knicks primarily deployed three coverages on Tatum’s pick-and-rolls over the course of the evening. In the middle of the floor, New York most often switched screens for Tatum. When Jalen Brunson was brought into the action, he would show and recover, jumping out into Tatum’s path to reroute the Celtics star before trying to retreat back into the defensive formation.

Brunson’s pinballing opened up vulnerabilities when Towns was brought into the action, allowing Tatum to get deep enough into the paint to collapse the defense and open up quality 3s for his teammates.

The Knicks’ switching wasn’t just against dribblers, though. When the Celtics offense tried to impede Brunson away from the play at various points, the Knicks point guard would switch anyway and end up on Boston’s stars more often than usual.

Knicks center Mitchell Robinson would switch onto Tatum only if needed. During the first half, Robinson would guard up to the screen level. If a Tatum shot went up and he had to contest, Robinson would switch. In the fourth quarter, he switched more, leading to one of the Knicks’ key late-game stops.

This play exemplifies the gamble the Knicks nailed in Game 1. If the Knicks could switch length onto Tatum in isolation while rangy defenders — Anunoby, Bridges and Hart — sat in the driving lanes, a pull-up 3 appeared on the way.

The Knicks understand the Celtics will try to bury them under an avalanche of 3-pointers. It’s hard to take those shots away, so the goal is to channel Boston’s efforts into the shots the defense can live with. The Tatum 3 is typically fatal, but it’s less corrosive when shooting over a defender who is taller and ready to get their hand up to contest.

Tatum feasts on centers dragged out to the perimeter on a near-nightly basis. He will lull them into a stupor until he finds the angle to get past them, opening up the drive-and-kicks that won the Celtics a championship last season. But keeping him in front of you is a lot easier when Bridges and Anunoby have enough wingspan flooding the driving lanes to hold hands from 15 feet apart.

The narrative since the Knicks paired Bridges with Anunoby leading into this season has centered around matchups with Tatum and Brown. And the team’s prerogative remains for Anunoby to guard Tatum. But all the switching showed a new side, a willingness to attack the Celtics’ stars with their wing stoppers elsewhere.

Coaches across the league often say that the gameplan guarding Tatum, who can get hot and flip the game in an instant, is to keep him off the 3-point line. Often, he explodes in crunch time, when it’s too late to undo the damage. The Knicks played with fire and came out relatively unscathed. Their bet is their length can bother Boston just enough to dull the Celtics’ sharpest edge.

Boston’s adjustments for Game 2 could seek to move the Knicks’ wings away from those driving lanes, placing the Celtics’ shooters in less predictable spots.

This isn’t a novel problem for the Celtics to solve. But doing it against the Knicks? That’s certainly new.

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5/7/2025  11:46 AM
Boom Boom Berm got thoughts, seems about right

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5/7/2025  12:09 PM
martin wrote:Boom Boom Berm got thoughts, seems about right

I think Mitch is fine... well he's not but he's rusty. We got 17 games at 17 minutes and he was not a good offensive player to start. Everything with him his rhythm and being familiar with the guys and he's just not. We see him doing Mitch things but if we want progression he needs to be healthy for a training camp etc...

Is he slow for playoff speed? Clearly. He's rusty and not there yet. Can he still help and do Mitch things for stretches? He can.

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5/7/2025  12:50 PM
I hope the celts are thinking hack a Mitch is the key. That means they’re desperate

Og and bridges have to lock in on D first and foremost. Slow down Tatum and Brown. That’s the top objective w nothing close. Then play full48 like your life depends on it.

Pacers were getting manhandled yesterday and then cavs fell apart in the last minute. We were getting killed in the first half particularly the second quarter then turned it around

We should not be content that we stole one. There’s no reason to think for a moment we can’t win this one.

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