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VDesai
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10/10/2024  9:30 AM
Real question to me is Shamet vs. Warren. Both are on these camp deals and one gets a contract. I think everyone is penciling Shamet but Warren is a real wing with size. If you want to play Kolek AND Payne (and I think there's a case for both) - then I think having Warren instead of Shamet makes sense. I know Warren's health is an issue, but at 6'8 220 with scoring chops, there's actually a bigger role to play for him a 3/4 off the bench where we are thin
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10/10/2024  10:05 AM
Can we sign Warren?
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10/10/2024  10:13 AM
Nalod wrote:Can we sign Warren?

It's either Landry or Warren. Can't sign both for the time being because of the second apron.

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10/10/2024  10:21 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Can we sign Warren?

It's either Landry or Warren. Can't sign both for the time being because of the second apron.

Right, this is one of those situations where we need to add "for now" and see how much that phrase is going to do work over the next weeks and months.

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10/10/2024  6:03 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Can we sign Warren?

It's either Landry or Warren. Can't sign both for the time being because of the second apron.

Thx for the clarity. I'd guess Shamet gets the gig unless there is a trade......

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7/7/2025  9:36 AM
Bump.

Where do you all project Grimes performs this year? I know he came on strong at the end of the season but didn't really get to see much of it. Curious what his role would be on this team if he were still here. Is he a bonafide starter, or just on a bad team?

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7/7/2025  9:41 AM
Panos wrote:Bump.

Where do you all project Grimes performs this year? I know he came on strong at the end of the season but didn't really get to see much of it. Curious what his role would be on this team if he were still here. Is he a bonafide starter, or just on a bad team?

He could start on this Knicks team if you believe in Hart as a super sub and you want an extra shooter / solid wing defender out there. I think he's a starter in the NBA because he can defend at a high level, shoot around 35-40% on 3% on 6 attempts per game and put the ball on the floor. I don't think he's a better player than Bridges for example (Bridges is a more consistent scorer and can score in more ways), but because he's a better and more willing shooter from deep, he might actually be a better fit than Bridges for this Knicks team. Grimes doesn't have the elite wingspan like Bridges. Bridges more likely to make that spectacular individual defensive play, but Grimes can be really pesky on ball and hold up against bigger ballhandlers like Cade or Haliburton reasonably well.

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7/7/2025  10:07 AM
DDV had that ESP with Brunson. I special connection to be in the right place where Brunson could see him and kick the ball out in open passing lanes. DDV didn't have to create hi own shots here. He just needed to move to the right spot when Brunson would attack the rim. DDV knew what he had to do so there was no 'I don't know what my role is' whining. He also had that quick release and was a demon jumping passing lanes on defense. He was a perfect fit with this team

Grimes would disappear on this team. He wants to create his own offense and he just isn't good enough to do that. That fact that he thinks he deserves to get paid more than his QO should tell you everything you need to know. He definitely thinks he is a better player than he actually is.

Shamet is older and knows his role. He is a better fit but is too inconsistent to be relied on. When he gets hot it's great but you can't count on it day in and day out.

Bridges should watch film of the DDV/Brunson connection and try and do that. Bridges likes to stand around to much. DDV was always moving and working similar to Curry.

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7/7/2025  10:13 AM
VDesai wrote:
Panos wrote:Bump.

Where do you all project Grimes performs this year? I know he came on strong at the end of the season but didn't really get to see much of it. Curious what his role would be on this team if he were still here. Is he a bonafide starter, or just on a bad team?

He could start on this Knicks team if you believe in Hart as a super sub and you want an extra shooter / solid wing defender out there. I think he's a starter in the NBA because he can defend at a high level, shoot around 35-40% on 3% on 6 attempts per game and put the ball on the floor. I don't think he's a better player than Bridges for example (Bridges is a more consistent scorer and can score in more ways), but because he's a better and more willing shooter from deep, he might actually be a better fit than Bridges for this Knicks team. Grimes doesn't have the elite wingspan like Bridges. Bridges more likely to make that spectacular individual defensive play, but Grimes can be really pesky on ball and hold up against bigger ballhandlers like Cade or Haliburton reasonably well.

Grimes would be a perfect replacement to Hart ino ur starting 5. Grimes has the ability to guard the point of attack which would allow Bridges to gurd off the ball and be a hel defender which I think he excells at. Grimes would allow us to play 5-out on offense as well....Most Knick fans want to bring back former Knicks, mainly Divo...but Grimes is the one that makes the most sense because he fills more needs....

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7/7/2025  11:05 AM
Uptown wrote:
VDesai wrote:
Panos wrote:Bump.

Where do you all project Grimes performs this year? I know he came on strong at the end of the season but didn't really get to see much of it. Curious what his role would be on this team if he were still here. Is he a bonafide starter, or just on a bad team?

He could start on this Knicks team if you believe in Hart as a super sub and you want an extra shooter / solid wing defender out there. I think he's a starter in the NBA because he can defend at a high level, shoot around 35-40% on 3% on 6 attempts per game and put the ball on the floor. I don't think he's a better player than Bridges for example (Bridges is a more consistent scorer and can score in more ways), but because he's a better and more willing shooter from deep, he might actually be a better fit than Bridges for this Knicks team. Grimes doesn't have the elite wingspan like Bridges. Bridges more likely to make that spectacular individual defensive play, but Grimes can be really pesky on ball and hold up against bigger ballhandlers like Cade or Haliburton reasonably well.

Grimes would be a perfect replacement to Hart ino ur starting 5. Grimes has the ability to guard the point of attack which would allow Bridges to gurd off the ball and be a hel defender which I think he excells at. Grimes would allow us to play 5-out on offense as well....Most Knick fans want to bring back former Knicks, mainly Divo...but Grimes is the one that makes the most sense because he fills more needs....

In theory, Grimes would be a perfect fit. But there is something about the way he handles pressure and adversity that bothers me. He has one disappointing season in Kansas and immediately transfers. Not necessarily a red flag, but then he carries that same attitude here and starts whining when Donte outplays him. The he pulls the same move when Christie goes to the Mavs. Then he finally come through on a low pressure tank team late in the season. I'm sorry, just not convinced.

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7/7/2025  12:03 PM
Grimes played himself into a $17 mil - $25 mil pay range. He was scoring over 20 points a game for Philly by the end of the year. I wish we still had him. They obviously traded him because they did not want to pay him this summer. That being said, I think Shamet can give us about 85% of what Grimes could give and at a vet minimum price, so we probably made the right call.
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7/7/2025  12:11 PM
For the record, I am a huge Shamet fan. I think he is the third best defender on our team , behind only Mitch and OG. Yes, I think he is a better defender at this point than McBride and definitely Mikal. Mikal only feels like playing hard D when he feels like it, Miles has kinda fallen off a cliff with his one-one- one D. Shamet gets after it every possession. Even on mismatches he really really tries and I love that. If you look up his numbers, as far as opponent FG % against, you will be blown away. Him and Grimes are very very similar, Shamet is more consistent for a fraction of the coast, but that's just because there really isn't an upside. He is who he is already
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7/7/2025  1:25 PM
TheGame wrote:Grimes played himself into a $17 mil - $25 mil pay range. He was scoring over 20 points a game for Philly by the end of the year. I wish we still had him. They obviously traded him because they did not want to pay him this summer. That being said, I think Shamet can give us about 85% of what Grimes could give and at a vet minimum price, so we probably made the right call.

Hard disagree on that one. Maybe those were the prices in the last CBA, but I think he's lucky if get $15M. The fact that there are no teams with cap space showing interest kills his value. The 76ers can just wait and if anoyher team throws Grimes a bone, the 76ers can still match.

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7/7/2025  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2025  1:43 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Uptown wrote:
VDesai wrote:
Panos wrote:Bump.

Where do you all project Grimes performs this year? I know he came on strong at the end of the season but didn't really get to see much of it. Curious what his role would be on this team if he were still here. Is he a bonafide starter, or just on a bad team?

He could start on this Knicks team if you believe in Hart as a super sub and you want an extra shooter / solid wing defender out there. I think he's a starter in the NBA because he can defend at a high level, shoot around 35-40% on 3% on 6 attempts per game and put the ball on the floor. I don't think he's a better player than Bridges for example (Bridges is a more consistent scorer and can score in more ways), but because he's a better and more willing shooter from deep, he might actually be a better fit than Bridges for this Knicks team. Grimes doesn't have the elite wingspan like Bridges. Bridges more likely to make that spectacular individual defensive play, but Grimes can be really pesky on ball and hold up against bigger ballhandlers like Cade or Haliburton reasonably well.

Grimes would be a perfect replacement to Hart ino ur starting 5. Grimes has the ability to guard the point of attack which would allow Bridges to gurd off the ball and be a hel defender which I think he excells at. Grimes would allow us to play 5-out on offense as well....Most Knick fans want to bring back former Knicks, mainly Divo...but Grimes is the one that makes the most sense because he fills more needs....

In theory, Grimes would be a perfect fit. But there is something about the way he handles pressure and adversity that bothers me. He has one disappointing season in Kansas and immediately transfers. Not necessarily a red flag, but then he carries that same attitude here and starts whining when Donte outplays him. The he pulls the same move when Christie goes to the Mavs. Then he finally come through on a low pressure tank team late in the season. I'm sorry, just not convinced.

This. In theory Grimes is a great fit. But he already has complained about his role before he had this little burst. He would be a 4th option on this team-maybe 3rd at absolute best. In Philly, he is going to be pissed when\if Embiid, Maxey, George are all playing AND top 3 pick Edgecomb all ahead of him in the pecking order he plays basically the same position as Maxey so the minutes may not be there .. Just wait. Once is an incident (Knicks), Twice is a pattern (he couldn't play next to Cade), 3 times is a pattern (Dallas). Grimes talent and the type of player he is all I want in a 2 guard and I love those types of guys. Seems Grimes is arrogant, full of himself, and folds when he actually has competition. I hat those type of guys. Major issues.

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7/7/2025  1:59 PM
I posted this in another thread, but KCP is 22mm per - Grimes is probably as good and younger (though less established ). Salary range makes sense in context, when shooters who don't play D can approach the same dollars.
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7/7/2025  2:36 PM
It's unfortunate when the FO messes up and it's the players who take the hit. Grimes and Yabu in particular are what happens when you sign PG to $50M.
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7/7/2025  3:48 PM
VDesai wrote:I posted this in another thread, but KCP is 22mm per - Grimes is probably as good and younger (though less established ). Salary range makes sense in context, when shooters who don't play D can approach the same dollars.

Yeah, but KCP has the fortune of signing that deal before this CBA was in place. I think Kuminga would've gotten a Patrick Williams deal in the old CBA. I think he'll be forced to take less now.
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7/7/2025  4:02 PM
VDesai
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7/7/2025  4:40 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
VDesai wrote:I posted this in another thread, but KCP is 22mm per - Grimes is probably as good and younger (though less established ). Salary range makes sense in context, when shooters who don't play D can approach the same dollars.

Yeah, but KCP has the fortune of signing that deal before this CBA was in place. I think Kuminga would've gotten a Patrick Williams deal in the old CBA. I think he'll be forced to take less now.

Didn't KCP get that deal last offseason under the new CBA?

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7/7/2025  5:56 PM
VDesai wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
VDesai wrote:I posted this in another thread, but KCP is 22mm per - Grimes is probably as good and younger (though less established ). Salary range makes sense in context, when shooters who don't play D can approach the same dollars.

Yeah, but KCP has the fortune of signing that deal before this CBA was in place. I think Kuminga would've gotten a Patrick Williams deal in the old CBA. I think he'll be forced to take less now.

Didn't KCP get that deal last offseason under the new CBA?


You're right! That contract is even worse than I remembered. Lucky for the 76ers, I'm not sure there aren't any other teams with cap space to waste. Detroit is probably off the table and I'm not sure the Nets are interested. But who knows what the Pelicans will do?
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