Nalod wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Rock is dead for the most part. Hip-hop needs a reset.

Bebop, early Rock/RnB, Punk, early hip hop, gangsta rap, late 80s east coast rap. They were all a reaction to music that some thought had gotten stale.

I would say the same with the current state of hip hop. One culprit is auto-tune. Its really called a Vocoder, and its been around forever. Since the days of Peter Frampton and Roger Troutman. But its used too much as a crutch these days by rappers. Seemed like everyone went that route after Drake.

What Hip-Hop needs IMO is for someone to bring down the temple, so to speak. Start again from scratch like the revolutionary artists of the past. No its not all bad. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for his work. But he's more of a contemporary Duke Ellington in the way he's elevated the genre. Right now Hip-Hop needs artists who will tear it all down and start again.

I grew up in the cradle of hip hop back when I was a kid in the Bronx. Infact, Blondie used to hang out with local rappers at the NY PAL on Webster Ave next to my apartment building on 183 St in Webster Ave before they released " Rapture " but me personally never been a huge rap fan. However, I can't say it's bad today or better before. It's just different today. What I have glorified in the 80s is the vibrancy and variety of music that was readily available in NYC and readily available in inexpensive to enjoy for young people to participate in. However, new technology and streaming makes it easier for many people to produce music that millions enjoy across genres. I don't think kids today can enjoy the variety of acts live like people could have in the 80s. Yet, again today maybe they don't want to go see them in person and prefer to just listen from home or their headphones. Maybe the music available today will be evaluated by future generations as being way better then what we enjoyed as kids. Who knows but the music from the 80s was an excellent sound track for the era. I am glad I had it. The music from the early 70s plain sucked. Inglebert Humperdinck, Tom Jones
Grand Railroad, and some other bands just plain sucked.

Was in high school in Manhattan when "Rapper's Delight" first broke. Liked it at first, but damn did they play it to death back then.

I wasnt sure Hip-Hop would last until I heard "The Breaks".

With the advent of Clear Channel gobbling up all those radio stations in the 90s and early 2000s .They werent real big on music of any kind that challenged the status quo. Music as an agent for change diminished. People lost interest in protest songs, for the most part.

I listen sometimes to new Hip-Hop. Still artists who make great beats, lyrics. But its not much different than the stuff I've heard over the last decade, therein lies the problem IMO.

I see you were born around 60-67 ? Man you was born in the sweet spot. Your generation was born at a good time. I was like a grade school kid when rappers delight came out. I recall watching my older cousins and sisters about your age having lots of fun. Also recall lots of my family leaving for the South and the western states from NYC. Despite the 70s and early 80s being somewhat rough the country gave youth more opportunities to branch out. Today our kids don't have too many shots compared to previous generations. It's a weird time for our kids. Society is nuts for them. Your and my generation screwed em over. Their music must reflect their situations but I am not a sociologist to be able to explain how. My daughter was born in 2001 and that generation and later has real quirks

Social anxiety is a real thing and perhaps social media and smart phone access has an effect.
Music is at their finger tips. Where MTV galvanized a generation were kids across the country were seeing the same things and the expansion of malls and the culture made regional dress and trends lessor. By that, national chains in malls selling the same things. Kids in the south dressed similar to kids up north. That was not the case previous.
Malls are nearly dead and online shopping is huge.
Kids are more isolated but more socially linked in an unhealthy way.
Im not so pessimistic about their future. All generations have said similar about theirs vs the present and future.
“The good old days” of music, or social interactions was not always healthy. Pediphiles were kept out of sight, alcoholic parents were tolerated, and priests had their way with the kids and few challanged it. Our sons were groomed for battle in wars we now learn were glorified and we swept the effects under the rug if they made it home.
We were poisioning the rivers and lands way back then also. Rivers actually were so polluted they actually caught fire! (Cayohoga river in Ohio!).

Im not discounting the issues of today, but we forget the issues faced babyboomers both social and political were pretty bad also.

Good post. You mentioned pedophiles and I recall the pedophiles around the video arcades in Times Sq and underage boy prostitute activity I was like 13-15 going to arcades around 42 and getting older me propositioning us.

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Rock is dead for the most part. Hip-hop needs a reset.

Bebop, early Rock/RnB, Punk, early hip hop, gangsta rap, late 80s east coast rap. They were all a reaction to music that some thought had gotten stale.

I would say the same with the current state of hip hop. One culprit is auto-tune. Its really called a Vocoder, and its been around forever. Since the days of Peter Frampton and Roger Troutman. But its used too much as a crutch these days by rappers. Seemed like everyone went that route after Drake.

What Hip-Hop needs IMO is for someone to bring down the temple, so to speak. Start again from scratch like the revolutionary artists of the past. No its not all bad. Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer for his work. But he's more of a contemporary Duke Ellington in the way he's elevated the genre. Right now Hip-Hop needs artists who will tear it all down and start again.

I grew up in the cradle of hip hop back when I was a kid in the Bronx. Infact, Blondie used to hang out with local rappers at the NY PAL on Webster Ave next to my apartment building on 183 St in Webster Ave before they released " Rapture " but me personally never been a huge rap fan. However, I can't say it's bad today or better before. It's just different today. What I have glorified in the 80s is the vibrancy and variety of music that was readily available in NYC and readily available in inexpensive to enjoy for young people to participate in. However, new technology and streaming makes it easier for many people to produce music that millions enjoy across genres. I don't think kids today can enjoy the variety of acts live like people could have in the 80s. Yet, again today maybe they don't want to go see them in person and prefer to just listen from home or their headphones. Maybe the music available today will be evaluated by future generations as being way better then what we enjoyed as kids. Who knows but the music from the 80s was an excellent sound track for the era. I am glad I had it. The music from the early 70s plain sucked. Inglebert Humperdinck, Tom Jones
Grand Railroad, and some other bands just plain sucked.

Was in high school in Manhattan when "Rapper's Delight" first broke. Liked it at first, but damn did they play it to death back then.

I wasnt sure Hip-Hop would last until I heard "The Breaks".

With the advent of Clear Channel gobbling up all those radio stations in the 90s and early 2000s .They werent real big on music of any kind that challenged the status quo. Music as an agent for change diminished. People lost interest in protest songs, for the most part.

I listen sometimes to new Hip-Hop. Still artists who make great beats, lyrics. But its not much different than the stuff I've heard over the last decade, therein lies the problem IMO.

I see you were born around 60-67 ? Man you was born in the sweet spot. Your generation was born at a good time. I was like a grade school kid when rappers delight came out. I recall watching my older cousins and sisters about your age having lots of fun. Also recall lots of my family leaving for the South and the western states from NYC. Despite the 70s and early 80s being somewhat rough the country gave youth more opportunities to branch out. Today our kids don't have too many shots compared to previous generations. It's a weird time for our kids. Society is nuts for them. Your and my generation screwed em over. Their music must reflect their situations but I am not a sociologist to be able to explain how. My daughter was born in 2001 and that generation and later has real quirks

Hit the big 6-0 last year. Musically I think I hit the sweet spot, but the rest..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Unfortunately today's kids have it worse than previous generations. In too many ways to count.

Alpha1971 wrote:My wife was born in 1960. Speaking of music, she came of age going to NYC night clubs and listening to an other genre of music I completely forgot about - Freestyle. 80's dance genre big in urban areas, with acts like Latin Rascals, TKA, Cynthia, Jennifer Torres, and Lisa Lisa. Very big in the City

Nice. Speaking of Talking Heads, you should go check out the restored version of "Stop Making Sense" with your wife and daughter.Its going to be on IMAX and regular screens soon.

I remember seeing it in the theater near Carnegie Hall. Was already a fan, but it surprised a lot of people including myself, just how good it was.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/movies/talking-heads-stop-making-sense-spike-lee.html

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My wife was born in 1960. Speaking of music, she came of age going to NYC night clubs and listening to an other genre of music I completely forgot about - Freestyle. 80's dance genre big in urban areas, with acts like Latin Rascals, TKA, Cynthia, Jennifer Torres, and Lisa Lisa. Very big in the City

Nice. Speaking of Talking Heads, you should go check out the restored version of "Stop Making Sense" with your wife and daughter.Its going to be on IMAX and regular screens soon.

I remember seeing it in the theater near Carnegie Hall. Was already a fan, but it surprised a lot of people including myself, just how good it was.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/movies/talking-heads-stop-making-sense-spike-lee.html

Darn remember Tom Tom Clubs " Genius of Love " ? Music of the early 8os was fun. Talking Heads and Tom Tom Club what fun. I'll check out out but my wife and daughter not big fans of the Talking Heads. A few years ago the Lumineers did a remake of " This Must Be the Place " and I used that to introduce her to the taking heads. She listened to several of the songs theirs I curated and she and my wife said they " Threw up in their mouths after "

I didnt know when I first watched the film that Franz and Weymouth were Tom Tom Club, and neither did a lot of people in the audience. It was a great surprise. It should be available for streaming, and disc eventually.

If they like the Lumineers, they might like this Van Morrison concert from 1980. Van had quit performing for several years because of stagefright. This was his first gig. He assembled some of the best musicians in the business. Including Pee Wee Ellis, who was in James Brown's band, and a collaborator. Did the arrangements for this concert. Wish it was in HD.

https://www.amazon.com/Live-at-Montreux-1974-80/dp/B000GIWRRA/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=van+morrison+montreux&qid=1694811400&sr=8-3

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My wife was born in 1960. Speaking of music, she came of age going to NYC night clubs and listening to an other genre of music I completely forgot about - Freestyle. 80's dance genre big in urban areas, with acts like Latin Rascals, TKA, Cynthia, Jennifer Torres, and Lisa Lisa. Very big in the City

Nice. Speaking of Talking Heads, you should go check out the restored version of "Stop Making Sense" with your wife and daughter.Its going to be on IMAX and regular screens soon.

I remember seeing it in the theater near Carnegie Hall. Was already a fan, but it surprised a lot of people including myself, just how good it was.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/movies/talking-heads-stop-making-sense-spike-lee.html

Darn remember Tom Tom Clubs " Genius of Love " ? Music of the early 8os was fun. Talking Heads and Tom Tom Club what fun. I'll check out out but my wife and daughter not big fans of the Talking Heads. A few years ago the Lumineers did a remake of " This Must Be the Place " and I used that to introduce her to the taking heads. She listened to several of the songs theirs I curated and she and my wife said they " Threw up in their mouths after "

I didnt know when I first watched the film that Franz and Weymouth were Tom Tom Club, and neither did a lot of people in the audience. It was a great surprise. It should be available for streaming, and disc eventually.

If they like the Lumineers, they might like this Van Morrison concert from 1980. Van had quit performing for several years because of stagefright. This was his first gig. He assembled some of the best musicians in the business. Including Pee Wee Ellis, who was in James Brown's band, and a collaborator. Did the arrangements for this concert. Wish it was in HD.

https://www.amazon.com/Live-at-Montreux-1974-80/dp/B000GIWRRA/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=van+morrison+montreux&qid=1694811400&sr=8-3

Check it out this weekend. What HS you went to ?

A Catholic school which shall remain nameless lol.

Here ya go

The Stop making sense tour at forest hills stadium was amazing.
Best?
Just prior to that tour but with the full expanded band they did a one off WLIR (radio) anniversay show at the Calderone theatre in Hempstead, Long Island. I was basically driving by when they dropped the announcement and had enough cash to buy 4 tickets.
Venue was basically a large movie theatre and we had 20th row seats. It was a super hot ticket given the venue and being a one off.

Tom Tom club charted before talking heads did despite the big success. David Byrne ego was too large and he was a dick for sure.
Glad he publically has admitted to as such and they are playing nice after a very very long time.

Nalod a big fan of that band.
Not a fan of 70 year old getting back together and charging hundreds for shows. Hope they leave the legacy as it is.
That film depicts a great band at the top of their game.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Saw the Talking heads twice back in the day.

The Stop making sense tour at forest hills stadium was amazing.
Best?
Just prior to that tour but with the full expanded band they did a one off WLIR (radio) anniversay show at the Calderone theatre in Hempstead, Long Island. I was basically driving by when they dropped the announcement and had enough cash to buy 4 tickets.
Venue was basically a large movie theatre and we had 20th row seats. It was a super hot ticket given the venue and being a one off.

Tom Tom club charted before talking heads did despite the big success. David Byrne ego was too large and he was a dick for sure.
Glad he publically has admitted to as such and they are playing nice after a very very long time.

Nalod a big fan of that band.
Not a fan of 70 year old getting back together and charging hundreds for shows. Hope they leave the legacy as it is.
That film depicts a great band at the top of their game.

Lucky! Saw Tracy Austin in the US Open at Forest Hills, thats about it lol. Nice neighborhood. At least it was back then.

I guess it still is.
Say Genesis summer of 1984. This was post Abacab and they were supporting "three sides live" album.
They were venturing with pop and carried the Earth Wind and Fire Horns for this tour, but had not reached the pinnacle of popularity. I just looked up the set list (they list this **** still) and it was amazing! They did a full run of classic "Suppers ready". I had seen them about 5 times and this might be my favorite of all. I was a big prog rock fan and still dabble in the good stuff!

Peter Gabriel early in his career was incredible live. I got front row at central part for a show in 1979 and he was "Mystical" with his presence. This was before the big arena shows.