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BigAppleStar3
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5/11/2005  12:06 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Would be great for the Knicks...better PJ than Herb, but how would Isiah look if he hires Carlesimo instead of Herb????

Why should it matter? Herb Williams went 16-27 and allowed 104 ppg. He did not earn a chance to come back. Actually, Isiah Thomas looks weak and stupid if be brought him back. P.J. Carlesimo is 100x the coach Herb will ever be.
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5/11/2005  2:18 PM
Well said...but would you allow him to comeback as an assistant or should we create a position in the front office?
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Posted by diderotn:

Would be great for the Knicks...better PJ than Herb, but how would Isiah look if he hires Carlesimo instead of Herb????

Why should it matter? Herb Williams went 16-27 and allowed 104 ppg. He did not earn a chance to come back. Actually, Isiah Thomas looks weak and stupid if be brought him back. P.J. Carlesimo is 100x the coach Herb will ever be.
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5/11/2005  2:40 PM
Here's one scenario that has not bewen discussed...
If the Rockets were to Release VanGundy... how many would want him back?

I think I would take him over alot of the names floating around.
Although, I would take almost anyone over Herb.
We really need a defensive minded coach...
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5/11/2005  3:37 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Well said...but would you allow him to comeback as an assistant or should we create a position in the front office?

Nope. Can't think of a reason why. He been an assistant coach for five years, was given a serious chance to make an impression as a head coach. To be honest I don't see how he has distinguish himself to be even given a chance other than interim. Remember he was promoted over Shur because Isiah wanted him in the front office to help run the scoutting department. We now know that Williams didn't even help out with the development of Sweetney or Ariza. It was Aguire, so he strikes out there. To me his biggest strike came when he didn't give his young guys a chance to play and one of his players indicated in the media he didn't know what his role was on the team and was being serious.
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5/12/2005  8:49 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Well said...but would you allow him to comeback as an assistant or should we create a position in the front office?

Why should we? It's Herb Williams, not Patrick Ewing. Why don't we hire Travis Knight and Felton Spencer while we are at it?
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5/13/2005  8:34 AM
Bringing in Pat to be a top assistant is kinda weird. First off, Ewing is not an experienced Assistant, not like some of the career coaches available. The other is if Herb gets canned, then whom ever is bought in might not want Patrick, and Isiah might not be inclined ot promote Patrick.

Isiah needs to bring in "his guy" and go that way.
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5/13/2005  2:59 PM
I'm not sure that Houston will let Patrick go. Carroll loves the work that Ewing has done with Yao especially going against the elite centers. Yao said he miss Ewing in those final games of the Mavs series. And to be honest, I personally think Ewing has just as much experience at coaching than Herb. No one has yet to prove to me that Herb was a top assistant in the NBA when he got promoted. Wasn't he promoted out of default. Shur didn't want the job, he wanted to be in the front office, Malone is too young (would have been an insult to Williams), Aguire wasn't ready. He wasn't even one of Lenny's top assistants.
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5/13/2005  11:25 PM
I think Isiah helped Herb by giving him the gig, and also its a easier "fire" than others. Doubtful the team would excel under anyone, so let Herb get slaughtered, and nobody gets hurt anyway.

If Herb gets the gig, give him a two year deal, so if he gets not fired, but "replaced", he gets a year pay for his trouble. He can run with Van gundy on the bench.
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5/15/2005  3:28 PM
According to several sources, PJ Carlisemo is the leading candidate and most likely will be the Knicks coach.. Hmmmm, that can go both ways..

I don't think i can call that one... We would have to see what players Isiah brings in here to play for PJ...
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5/16/2005  11:19 AM
I'll cry if PJ becomes our coach.
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5/16/2005  11:51 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I'll cry if PJ becomes our coach.

Why?
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5/16/2005  12:21 PM
I've said it a million times. He's done nothing special in the NBA. So what's the point in hiring him? Is this a smokescreen so that we think the coaching staff is what needs to be changed, as opposed to the roster? Why should a roster full of VETS be motivated and taught to play defense? They've been in the league for years now. Most of our guys should understand the tricks of the trade. And PJ isn't even known for his defensive mind anyway, so how can he possibly help us? The way I see it is if Phil or Riley aren't available, then just stick with Herb and give him orders to play the young guys. If he doesn't, then fire him and make Aguire the coach. Promise you he plays the young guys at least or at least the guys that deserve to play, like JYD.

This roster stinks, so what's the point in hiring a coach in the first place? If we hire PJ, and we continue to suck, we'll all be calling for his head, we'll continue to do what we've been doing with the roster for years, and the cycle will continue for years.
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5/16/2005  12:44 PM
YOu make a good point. SOme I do agree with. He has been an important part of a successuful Spurs team the last few years. Any top assistant as part of a team that has won two champioinships should be considered.

But the big fundamental is with Phil, or PJ, we are not rebuilding. Isiah will continue the tradition of trying to win as much as possible but the underlying theme is to try to develope youth at the same time.

Maybe its not quite the black or white thing we think it should be. By that, we commit to rebuild, or try to compete with what we have.

But then what is the make up of the team? We got two picks, one that could prove to be a valuable piece.

I cannot say what coach I want because I don't know what kind of team we will have based on the direction we are going in.

I suspect, we get the big Z, in some form of sign and trade involving KT. OR, we are picking our 8 for someone else.

If so, then it makes sense to go with PJ.

PJ has done a good job with Ginobli and Parker in terms of young players. WIth POP as GM and coach, and PJ as an experienced head coach, it may very well be that PJ has been instramental in their developemnt, as well as many of the coaching duties.

I guess one move will beget more, and hopefully some clarity will dominate our questions.
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5/16/2005  1:05 PM
Yeah, but the thing is, we have a couple of player development coaches in Mike Malone and Aguire. Aguire works with the bigs and Malone the smalls. Heck, when Herb was an assistant, he works with the younger guys as well. As you mentioned, this team has no style or identity. We have no clue what the heck PJ wants to do. We have guys on the team that don't play a lick of defense. Hence, even if PJ knew defense (Something that Don Chaney was actually known for in the past) how is he gonna get a bunch of bad defensive players to play defense? He isn't.

This is what the Knicks need to do.

Pick what kind of style of play you want to go for? Fast break but no defense like the Suns? Halfcourt but great defense like the Pistons? There's a million other ways. Choose what you wanna do with the team first. Then change the roster to that preference. Then choose a coach who can work with that kind of roster/style of play. This is how the great teams are built. Good teams don't fire a coach every year.

We hire and fire our coaches, and that has become the smoke screen that I'm talking about, so that we don't see that our roster and philosophy is really what is poor.
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5/16/2005  10:14 PM
I don't give a damn about what Isiah will do, but I am getting tired of the many coaches that we have gone through. The time has come for us to find something ans stick with it. Anyone can have a style, but it takes time for that particular style to develop. What I don't particularly care about Herb is what he did once the Knicks were officially eliminated. any coach with good sense would have played the young players, especially guys like JB and Sunddov...
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5/17/2005  10:47 AM
What do we know about Nate McMillion?

Post today says he is Isiahs man.
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5/18/2005  3:54 AM
One thing is for sure, Nate has got his players believing big time this year. That being said, Seattle is having a very flukish year and you have to be careful. In years pasts McMillan hasn't gotten his guys to come to close to overachiving like this. But if he's available I'd certainly make a run at him.
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5/18/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by VDesai:

One thing is for sure, Nate has got his players believing big time this year. That being said, Seattle is having a very flukish year and you have to be careful. In years pasts McMillan hasn't gotten his guys to come to close to overachiving like this. But if he's available I'd certainly make a run at him.

Nate's always gotten his guys to play hard, even when they haven't had a great record

Career in five years is 212 wins, 183 losses- .537% winning percentage.

He must know what he's doing.
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5/23/2005  5:28 PM
Yeah, to me, Nate M makes the most sense.

Seattle is built a LOT like the Knicks are, even if we add size through the draft, the fact of the matter is the vets we have are short and stubby. Nate knows how to coach a perimeter offense where the talent lays in the guards and the "bigs" just rebound and d up.

I thought Herb did a decent job, but the fact that he tried to run the offense through Tim Thomas and Mo Taylor in the post most nights, while effective against crappy teams, seemed to be going away from this team's strength: the creativity and scoring ability of Marbury and Jamal.

Obviously, we'll know more about the direction of this team after the draft, but I could see Nate being a GREAT coach for the Knicks. He's smart, defensive minded (don't forget, he was one of the best defensive guards in the league in his playing days, that could help Jamal and Steph) and has the ability to coach to his talent.
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5/24/2005  12:28 PM
For the Lords sake, we are nowhere CLOSE to Seattle. First off, everyone on the team has to play defense. Secondly, we have to have a couple of rebounding machines like James and Evans, as well as defensive monsters, which we don't have. The closest we have is Jerome, and he's getting old and is only 6'8" or so. Plus, we would have to have a couple of DEAD EYE shooters like Ray and Lewis, which we don't have either. Crawford can shoot, but he's way too uncontrolled to be considered even a very good shooter. We are built nothing like Seattle. We have players nothing like the players they have. They took the Spurs to 7 games. We would have been swept in 4 blowouts. Please, lets stop kidding ourselves, and Nate McMillan wouldn't make the team any better.
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