Posted by VDesai:

I can't believe we're talking about the value of Mo Taylor's expiring contract 3 years down the freaking line as being the key to this deal. You know guys every contract in the league expires at some point. We don't need to go collect every long term deal in the league.

Taylor will be absolutely untradeable before then. You know why? Because other teams actually like to acquire players that somehow come close to being worth what they are being payed. Taylor is a SOFT, SOFT PF who doesn't rebound and doesn't play D. The one time he played 36 minutes per at PF he only managed 6.5 rebs per game. The man really is like a Tim Thomas in that regard. He is exactly the kind of player we didn't need to acquire because this team is FULL of those kinds of players. Granted he can score, but he's not so prolific or dominant that he's worth 9 MIL per year. Unless we decide to make him a go to guy, he's going to be riding our pine like Shandon, and be the forum's favorite whipping boy.

two words again ALLAN HOUSTON!

his contract if longer than taylors!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by fishmike:

if you want roster space then just waive Moochie and Baker this summer. Now your paying an additional $9mm to a player you dont need and aparantly dont really want.

but why are you so worried about Dolans money? We're clearly not gonna be under the cap and nowhere until at least 2008.

Fish you do understand the importance of a big expiring contract right? Dale Davis and speedy claxton got Braron Davis. Mo Taylor's contract is equal to Dale Davis's come 2006

you mean like how vin and moochie could've been used NEXT SEASON instead of WAITING ONE MORE YEAR!!!!

who's going to be this year's jamal crawford? Sprewell, Boykins, Wagner??????

we got extremely lucky with the Crawford trade

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by VDesai:

I can't believe we're talking about the value of Mo Taylor's expiring contract 3 years down the freaking line as being the key to this deal. You know guys every contract in the league expires at some point. We don't need to go collect every long term deal in the league.

Taylor will be absolutely untradeable before then. You know why? Because other teams actually like to acquire players that somehow come close to being worth what they are being payed. Taylor is a SOFT, SOFT PF who doesn't rebound and doesn't play D. The one time he played 36 minutes per at PF he only managed 6.5 rebs per game. The man really is like a Tim Thomas in that regard. He is exactly the kind of player we didn't need to acquire because this team is FULL of those kinds of players. Granted he can score, but he's not so prolific or dominant that he's worth 9 MIL per year. Unless we decide to make him a go to guy, he's going to be riding our pine like Shandon, and be the forum's favorite whipping boy.

two words again ALLAN HOUSTON!

his contract if longer than taylors!!!!!!!!!!

What does Allan Houston have to do with it? Are you saying having Allan Houston on the team is reason for us to go out and acquire more overpaid soft players? I don't get it. By the way, their contracts run the same length.

yes until Houston's contract expires!! I said before this year started that we are not going to contend until Houston is gone!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/25/2005 14:24:31]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by fishmike:

if you want roster space then just waive Moochie and Baker this summer. Now your paying an additional $9mm to a player you dont need and aparantly dont really want.

but why are you so worried about Dolans money? We're clearly not gonna be under the cap and nowhere until at least 2008.

Fish you do understand the importance of a big expiring contract right? Dale Davis and speedy claxton got Braron Davis. Mo Taylor's contract is equal to Dale Davis's come 2006

you mean like how vin and moochie could've been used NEXT SEASON instead of WAITING ONE MORE YEAR!!!!

who's going to be this year's jamal crawford? Sprewell, Boykins, Wagner??????

we got extremely lucky with the Crawford trade

uh, how about swift?

VDesai
I can't believe we're talking about the value of Mo Taylor's expiring contract 3 years down the freaking line as being the key to this deal. You know guys every contract in the league expires at some point. We don't need to go collect every long term deal in the league.

god i'm glad someone besides me sees this. Mo T is unmoveable until two summers from now, and then, making $9 mil, he will only be able to get us a player with serious question marks. baron davis? a career loser with a bad back and knees? that's what people think about him. instead, we could have traded baker's or norris's smaller contracts for players making less who could be available for all different reasons- teams losing patience in their potential, veteran defensive specialists, so on. the deal was made because IT wanted taylor, and that's what worries me.

we have TT/Penny to trade this year and taylor next year and H20/Rose/JYD/KT the year after!

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by gunsnewing:

we have TT/Penny to trade this year and taylor next year and H20/Rose/JYD/KT the year after!

Why don't we just trade TT/Penny now for an overpaid scrub that we can trade in 2008!

no because these expiring contracts will be used to get good players like marbury, crawford, brand, randolph, rasheed wallace or any other potential allstar who pops up

let me ask the I love expiring deal people this: What do you think our cap is? I'm not talking about the salary cap, I'm talking about the Knick's cap. MSG/Cablevision is a business. The Knicks (used to) make money. When you use expiring contracts to engineer a deal you take back a longer contract thats undesirable to another team.

Right now our payroll is $110mm. DOUBLE the average of the rest of the league, except unlike the Yankees we dont win the division and go to the world series every year.

So Bonnie can he doesnt care about Dolan's money but it does hurt your ability to upgrade your roster. Our whole roster is guys other teams didnt want AND are overpaid. Its not like we took a Billups and found a niche for him... ALL these guys are not only unwanted they are overpaid to boot.

You think Taylor has value because his contract expires in 2 years? Thats the most backwards thing ever. Why dont we just sign a scub every year for the whole MLE and trade them in Feb because they expire?

The thinking around here is so ass backwards its sureal.

Mo Taylor is the Shandon Anderson of PFs

the more I think about both deals, the less I like them.

the houston deal is kinda stupid & I don't understand how we couldn't have gotten more for Nazr- such as Nesto & 1 pick.

I mean, Rose is a fine player- but he's a scrub.

Its almost as if IT got desperate and figured he had to do something.