Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:F Brunson tonight -- completely ignored Kat the entire game --- ignored...ignored...ignored.

While I'm at it he basically ignored the entire team and just did his thing.

Deuce - once again comes up small in big spot. Landry shat himself -- Mitch sleep walking on 1/2 his defensive possessions.

This one is on Brunson for dominating entire offense and for M-Brown for allowing it....just a disgrace.

I'll add this Hawks team is weak ass and could beat us --- why do we have Brunson guarding CJ entire night???

Agree with the bold. It really was bizarre. Almost like Isiah icing out MJ in the all star game. And granted Jalen started hitting shots late. but KAT was hitting them all night and he was a double after thought

Not sure what's up with McBride but he was a disaster tonight. He entered the game multiple times with big leads and coughed it up in minutes. He has no idea how to run a team, so if he's not hitting shots he shouldn't be out there. And Jose can't hit a shot period.

We will win the series but this is one that we got too cute.

I have no idea what's going on in Brunson's head but any objective analysis focuses on his being a ball hog as problem number 1

I can’t believe Deuce tried that oop to Mitch, nearly killed him and then Briwn quickly bench Deuce

I love Deuce but he's not a pg. he honestly has no idea what he's doing as a pg. he's a short 2 guard who is tough and can get hot shooting but he can't orchestrate. Jose isn't much better honestly but he does bring energy. Unfortunately tonight he probably got CJ fired up

Brown has to fix this. It would be too easy to say he should play Kolek who actually can pass guys open, but he's been on the pine so much since Jose showed up that would be a problem.

KAT needs to touch the ball. Jalen needs to get over himself just a smidge. Everything else should fall into place

Deuce sucked but so did Alvarado and Shamet. Our only Guard off the bench who was decent was Clarkson

Uptown wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:On paper, we're the better team, but we are too arrogant and not hungry enough

Watching the Knicks blow this lead down the stretch is like watching a Silverback Gorilla play with its feces

Some fans, like at Boston, San Antonio and OKC, get to follow disciplined and mature teams (yes, I know how young the Spurs are, but still…).

Us?

We get the clown act. This team just never learns. They are their worst enemy and they can’t learn. I hate the fact that I still believe they can change.

We hire starphucker coaches

Thibs offensive strategy was "make something happen Jalen"

Brown is basically Thibs 2.0, no play calling, KAT frozen out in the 4th quarter

I blame the front office for hiring dinosaurs to run these squads

One of the reasons Brown was hired was because of his innovation on the offensive end....what he did in Sac-town and with the Warriors...We started out the year running similar concepts that he ran with the Kings, then, slowly but surely we reverted back to Brunson ball. Pretty sure that wasn't soley Browns decision...

I think that is fair.

That is why I've laid the blame for this kind of stuff at Brunson's feet first, Brown's second

But at the end of the day the buck stops at Brown and he has to discipline his star player.

In the NBA, coaches show whether they have the spine to challenge the habits of their star player and it looks like Brown has capitulated to Brunson.

TBH, I think Brown has the ideas to run the offense more cleanly, but it fell apart after a fresh start of the season when they were moving the ball as a unit.

This is Brunson's team and it shows, for better or worse. It may be Brunson's fault, but Brown will get fired after this season because he could not impose his will on Brunson

Uptown wrote:tonight 4th quarter looked similar to the 4th quarter of game 2 last year vs. the Pistons. Lots of standing around and watching Brunson dribble the air out of the ball...Hopefully we bounce back like we did last year

I think we will. We have been a bit Jekyll and Hyde this year, but when we're good we're very, very good. Hopefully this has them lock in. KAT needs to touch the ball. JB is great but needs to get over himself

Knicksfan wrote:The worst part of this is that, while the Hawks are a good team, they truly don’t stand a chance against a team as talented as us when they play disciplined. But that’s not us.

We are our freaking worst enemy and that has been our story for many seasons now. Man, how can you be so selfish and dumb as Brunson was in that 4th quarter? How? How can you be such a fraud as a coach to allow it to happen? How can you even play some of the lineups Brown played today?

It was dumb and dumber tonight, and it’s just too constant with this team to believe in them.

All the talent to really compete with the best and the elite, but this team is too dumb to get there.

To be fair, that feeling only crept in last season when we acquired KAT. That iHart-DDV team was a killer and executed plays well.

NardDogNation wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:Trade Brunson and OG for Giannis

Keep KAT instead of Brunson

If a PG is going to be the main offensive weapon their name should be Magic Johnson or Oscar Robertson, big dudes who also played defense

I warned you all you may never win a championship with Brunson as your primary option

Our team are never consistent or cohesive under his leadership (or lack of so to speak)

This FO assembled a lot of talent, as much as any club in the NBA probably, but it does not mesh well

Our record is a testament to our talent, not our ability to perform as a collective

This was one of the worst losses I've seen from this team since the beginning of last season.

It is a real indicator of their lack of focus and lack of unity.

They are not a championship quality team, just a collection of quality pieces, nothing more.

The grass is always greener. If you're concern is having a black-hole on offense, Giannis is as bad as it gets. He's also incredibly bone-headed on that end of the flood and can't space the floor. Add to the fact his best years are behind him and it becomes an easy pass, unless he comes cheap.

Besides, the only reason we ever have hope is because of Brunson. I'd rather lose with him than win with a mercenary

How would a player who spent his whole career with one team now be a mercenary for choosing to play for another team?

Anyway, Giannis is one of the most efficient scoring options in the league and he makes your defense better. He's an MVP and a two-way player and even if he will hog the ball at times he is still not the PG and that's a good thing. You put any decent PG with good fundamentals next to him and you will see results.

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:The worst part of this is that, while the Hawks are a good team, they truly don’t stand a chance against a team as talented as us when they play disciplined. But that’s not us.

We are our freaking worst enemy and that has been our story for many seasons now. Man, how can you be so selfish and dumb as Brunson was in that 4th quarter? How? How can you be such a fraud as a coach to allow it to happen? How can you even play some of the lineups Brown played today?

It was dumb and dumber tonight, and it’s just too constant with this team to believe in them.

All the talent to really compete with the best and the elite, but this team is too dumb to get there.

To be fair, that feeling only crept in last season when we acquired KAT. That iHart-DDV team was a killer and executed plays well.

True

Philc1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:Trade Brunson and OG for Giannis

Keep KAT instead of Brunson

If a PG is going to be the main offensive weapon their name should be Magic Johnson or Oscar Robertson, big dudes who also played defense

I warned you all you may never win a championship with Brunson as your primary option

Our team are never consistent or cohesive under his leadership (or lack of so to speak)

This FO assembled a lot of talent, as much as any club in the NBA probably, but it does not mesh well

Our record is a testament to our talent, not our ability to perform as a collective

This was one of the worst losses I've seen from this team since the beginning of last season.

It is a real indicator of their lack of focus and lack of unity.

They are not a championship quality team, just a collection of quality pieces, nothing more.

The grass is always greener. If you're concern is having a black-hole on offense, Giannis is as bad as it gets. He's also incredibly bone-headed on that end of the flood and can't space the floor. Add to the fact his best years are behind him and it becomes an easy pass, unless he comes cheap.

Besides, the only reason we ever have hope is because of Brunson. I'd rather lose with him than win with a mercenary

More realistic trade would be OG, Mo and all of our picks next couple years and this year I think we have the 24 pick in the first round and it’s a loaded draft.

Giannis is strictly wing player at this point of his career and that’s fine. He would just be a way better OG on this team who also knows what it’s like to be first option on a championship winning team.

A Giannis trade would be a hard reset for the Bucks. They'll need a pick/young player centric deal to bite. We don't have enough of that to make it work for them, unless a 3rd team is involved.

I'm also not the biggest Giannis fan. He's not a plug-and-play player and will require an overhaul of the roster to fit him. And given his health, the days of building around him are over IMO.

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:tonight 4th quarter looked similar to the 4th quarter of game 2 last year vs. the Pistons. Lots of standing around and watching Brunson dribble the air out of the ball...Hopefully we bounce back like we did last year

I think we will. We have been a bit Jekyll and Hyde this year, but when we're good we're very, very good. Hopefully this has them lock in. KAT needs to touch the ball. JB is great but needs to get over himself

I think we take one of the 2 games at ATL. This series is going 7

If it does and we win, not only do we suck, but we will get swept in the next round.

If the Knicks aren’t good enough to take this in 5 even after this pathetic game, just move on. The Hawks are giving it their all, but the Knicks are again playing against themselves and if they don’t learn from this game, who are they fooling?

This goes 7, fudge them.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:F Brunson tonight -- completely ignored Kat the entire game --- ignored...ignored...ignored.

While I'm at it he basically ignored the entire team and just did his thing.

Deuce - once again comes up small in big spot. Landry shat himself -- Mitch sleep walking on 1/2 his defensive possessions.

This one is on Brunson for dominating entire offense and for M-Brown for allowing it....just a disgrace.

I'll add this Hawks team is weak ass and could beat us --- why do we have Brunson guarding CJ entire night???

Agree with the bold. It really was bizarre. Almost like Isiah icing out MJ in the all star game. And granted Jalen started hitting shots late. but KAT was hitting them all night and he was a double after thought

Not sure what's up with McBride but he was a disaster tonight. He entered the game multiple times with big leads and coughed it up in minutes. He has no idea how to run a team, so if he's not hitting shots he shouldn't be out there. And Jose can't hit a shot period.

We will win the series but this is one that we got too cute.

I have no idea what's going on in Brunson's head but any objective analysis focuses on his being a ball hog as problem number 1

I can’t believe Deuce tried that oop to Mitch, nearly killed him and then Briwn quickly bench Deuce

I love Deuce but he's not a pg. he honestly has no idea what he's doing as a pg. he's a short 2 guard who is tough and can get hot shooting but he can't orchestrate. Jose isn't much better honestly but he does bring energy. Unfortunately tonight he probably got CJ fired up

Brown has to fix this. It would be too easy to say he should play Kolek who actually can pass guys open, but he's been on the pine so much since Jose showed up that would be a problem.

KAT needs to touch the ball. Jalen needs to get over himself just a smidge. Everything else should fall into place

What I don’t get is that the entire Knicks universe knows this and then we see Deuce Shamet Clarkson and Clarkson is in the corner while the other 2 guys are feeding the Hawks cross court passes.

How come Brown goes to this lineup? And the other 2 guys on the court? OG the fumbler and Mitch.

This one is truly on Brunson and Brown. They both were massive in their ineptitude.

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:F Brunson tonight -- completely ignored Kat the entire game --- ignored...ignored...ignored.

While I'm at it he basically ignored the entire team and just did his thing.

Deuce - once again comes up small in big spot. Landry shat himself -- Mitch sleep walking on 1/2 his defensive possessions.

This one is on Brunson for dominating entire offense and for M-Brown for allowing it....just a disgrace.

I'll add this Hawks team is weak ass and could beat us --- why do we have Brunson guarding CJ entire night???

Agree with the bold. It really was bizarre. Almost like Isiah icing out MJ in the all star game. And granted Jalen started hitting shots late. but KAT was hitting them all night and he was a double after thought

Not sure what's up with McBride but he was a disaster tonight. He entered the game multiple times with big leads and coughed it up in minutes. He has no idea how to run a team, so if he's not hitting shots he shouldn't be out there. And Jose can't hit a shot period.

We will win the series but this is one that we got too cute.

I have no idea what's going on in Brunson's head but any objective analysis focuses on his being a ball hog as problem number 1

I can’t believe Deuce tried that oop to Mitch, nearly killed him and then Briwn quickly bench Deuce

I love Deuce but he's not a pg. he honestly has no idea what he's doing as a pg. he's a short 2 guard who is tough and can get hot shooting but he can't orchestrate. Jose isn't much better honestly but he does bring energy. Unfortunately tonight he probably got CJ fired up

Brown has to fix this. It would be too easy to say he should play Kolek who actually can pass guys open, but he's been on the pine so much since Jose showed up that would be a problem.

KAT needs to touch the ball. Jalen needs to get over himself just a smidge. Everything else should fall into place

What I don’t get is that the entire Knicks universe knows this and then we see Deuce Shamet Clarkson and Clarkson is in the corner while the other 2 guys are feeding the Hawks cross court passes.

How come Brown goes to this lineup? And the other 2 guys on the court? OG the fumbler and Mitch.

This one is truly on Brunson and Brown. They both were massive in their ineptitude.

Mind boggling to me

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