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BigRedDog
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7/14/2025  10:00 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

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7/14/2025  10:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2025  10:32 AM
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

Please don’t show Kolek’s combined stats for the first 2 games.

He’s been so bad maybe this is a complete anomaly. He went all last summer league and some pt during regular season ALWAYS looking under control but now he can barely complete a pass to his own team.

Tend to think this is an adjustment to a new system and maybe asking Kolek to move the ball more quickly vs pounding rock.

McCuller good news is he can actually 1) dribble and 2) get to the rim off the dribble —— BE STILL MY HEART.

Now if McCuller can stop setting illegal screens on dribble hand-offs he might not foul out in 5 minutes.
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7/14/2025  10:40 AM
It should look a lot better than it has. But our main point of interest are mostly 2nd round picks and a late first taken with the idea that he was a stash player for the long term. 3 to 4 years is realistic developmental window before they are expected to be guys you can reliably plug into a rotation. And that's if they are NBA material.

In the meantime our 9 man rotation is pretty much set for the year barring injuries. Brunson(PG), Mikal(G/F), OG(F), Towns(PF/C), Mitch(C), Hart(G/F), Deuce(G), Clarkson(G), Yabu(PF/C).

Mitch/Towns/Yabu
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OG/Hart/Mikal
Mikal/Deuce/Clarkson
Brunson/Clarkson/Deuce

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7/14/2025  11:43 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.
BigRedDog
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7/14/2025  12:13 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.

Of course I do but also being around the team, practicing with the team and playing many games in the NBA we all would expect a much better showing, esp Kolek, but also Hukporti than the players have shown so far. Sorry but you can't whitewash how bad Kolek has been this summer.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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7/14/2025  2:06 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.

Of course I do but also being around the team, practicing with the team and playing many games in the NBA we all would expect a much better showing, esp Kolek, but also Hukporti than the players have shown so far. Sorry but you can't whitewash how bad Kolek has been this summer.

Yep. He should be able to bring the ball up against pressure and have a TO/Assist ratio better than 1. Those are things intrinsic to being a pass first PG. The shooting doesn't bother me as much. There are plenty of PGs who shot like crap in SL and went on to have stellar NBA careers. Brunson Rose and Trae Young come to mind. But Kolek isn't even doing a good job of setting up his teammates. That was supposedly his strength. And I'm not going to even talk about his defense.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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7/15/2025  8:33 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6489382/2025/07/11/mike-brown-philosophy-knicks-summer-league/

Perhaps Brown has influence on the pace and this is not in Kolek's wheelhouse at the moment?
By that, Brown is the new coach and has dictated a fast pace he wanted the summer league guys to play under.
Im not saying Kolek is toast or had sufficient time to adapt. That will come by season opener.
He obviously think JB can play this way. Make the fast decision.
Running it back, Knicks were a very good offensive team last year. Brown is taking it to another level?
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7/15/2025  8:40 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.

Of course I do but also being around the team, practicing with the team and playing many games in the NBA we all would expect a much better showing, esp Kolek, but also Hukporti than the players have shown so far. Sorry but you can't whitewash how bad Kolek has been this summer.

Yep. He should be able to bring the ball up against pressure and have a TO/Assist ratio better than 1. Those are things intrinsic to being a pass first PG. The shooting doesn't bother me as much. There are plenty of PGs who shot like crap in SL and went on to have stellar NBA careers. Brunson Rose and Trae Young come to mind. But Kolek isn't even doing a good job of setting up his teammates. That was supposedly his strength. And I'm not going to even talk about his defense.

we WAS good at those things until Thibs ruined him. You cant do those things without minutes. Havent you paid attention?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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7/15/2025  1:39 PM
martin wrote:

He played the last game?

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7/15/2025  1:42 PM
fishmike wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.

Of course I do but also being around the team, practicing with the team and playing many games in the NBA we all would expect a much better showing, esp Kolek, but also Hukporti than the players have shown so far. Sorry but you can't whitewash how bad Kolek has been this summer.

Yep. He should be able to bring the ball up against pressure and have a TO/Assist ratio better than 1. Those are things intrinsic to being a pass first PG. The shooting doesn't bother me as much. There are plenty of PGs who shot like crap in SL and went on to have stellar NBA careers. Brunson Rose and Trae Young come to mind. But Kolek isn't even doing a good job of setting up his teammates. That was supposedly his strength. And I'm not going to even talk about his defense.

we WAS good at those things until Thibs ruined him. You cant do those things without minutes. Havent you paid attention?

I forgot. Thibs also ruined Trevor Keels by making him fat and Grimes by making him a *****.

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7/15/2025  4:15 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Rookie wrote:Dang, have our draft picks regressed or did they always suck this bad

We arent that far removed from last season, and our rooks got the fewest minutes in the league. Its a bit too optimistic to expect them to level up so soon. They need minutes.

C'mon, they practiced and played with the team all year. There should be noticible improvement. Stop making excuses for them.

It’s a fact. The bench played fewer minutes than any other team. But you expect them to show up a few weeks after the season is over like it never happened. Practicing is a completely different animal than actual NBA minutes. You should know that by now.

Of course I do but also being around the team, practicing with the team and playing many games in the NBA we all would expect a much better showing, esp Kolek, but also Hukporti than the players have shown so far. Sorry but you can't whitewash how bad Kolek has been this summer.

Yep. He should be able to bring the ball up against pressure and have a TO/Assist ratio better than 1. Those are things intrinsic to being a pass first PG. The shooting doesn't bother me as much. There are plenty of PGs who shot like crap in SL and went on to have stellar NBA careers. Brunson Rose and Trae Young come to mind. But Kolek isn't even doing a good job of setting up his teammates. That was supposedly his strength. And I'm not going to even talk about his defense.

we WAS good at those things until Thibs ruined him. You cant do those things without minutes. Havent you paid attention?

I forgot. Thibs also ruined Trevor Keels by making him fat and Grimes by making him a *****.

Keels is having a good SL. I forgot we drafted him.
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7/15/2025  6:25 PM
martin wrote:Sigh

Can't be any worse.

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martin wrote:Sigh

Le Sigh
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7/15/2025  7:30 PM
Missed most of the first of the first 3 quarters. Kolek has 23 pts through 3? Did he steal someone's bag?

Sounds like Kolek knew that his passing alone wasnt going to get him by anymore. Looking forward to the recap clips Todd found
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7/15/2025  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2025  8:26 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Missed most of the first of the first 3 quarters. Kolek has 23 pts through 3? Did he steal someone's bag?

Sounds like Kolek knew that his passing alone wasnt going to get him by anymore. Looking forward to the recap clips Todd found

Im not sure if he’s doing better or Brooklyn is really bad. Probably a little of both plus Brooklyn played yesterday and is resting some players
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7/15/2025  8:55 PM
Rookie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Missed most of the first of the first 3 quarters. Kolek has 23 pts through 3? Did he steal someone's bag?

Sounds like Kolek knew that his passing alone wasnt going to get him by anymore. Looking forward to the recap clips Todd found

Im not sure if he’s doing better or Brooklyn is really bad. Probably a little of both plus Brooklyn played yesterday and is resting some players

Either way he needed this game in the worst way for confidence.

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