LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

OK, but he was part of the team that GOT TO THE FINALS.
If Mitch played and then got sat for the finals because he go in foul trouble or could not hit a foul shot in a close series, you'd still give him props for getting them there.
Not like they won without him either.
What was Monty's reasoning? Was he correct or not? I don't know.
Its like indicting Randle's whole existance for the Atlanta series. It was one series.
I get where your coming from, but I have questions. Perhaps if anyone did some heavy reading on the matter they can chime in.
Monty got fired. PHX resigned Ayton and has not traded him. Not sure what that say's. Is it conclusive? not really.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.

You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.

Coach hated him.

I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.

You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.

Coach hated him.

I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?

Does it even matter?

The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you

Yeah I'm pretty sure you are missing the bigger point of it all.

It was game 7 and I got the series incorrect. Western Conference Finals or the Finals, who cares. It's about trying to win and what it takes to get there.

It's still just as bad. Same player, same importance.

Alpha1971 wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.

You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.

Coach hated him.

I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?

Does it even matter?

The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you

Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.

Spoken like a man who has tried to seduce the woman of his dreams for over a year or more

I know Monty has a great reputation. But no coach is 100%.

Alpha1971 wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.

Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.

It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.

Plausible and compelling

I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.

Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.

That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.

Better offensively? Sure.

Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.

They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?

They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.

The Finals.

I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.

I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.

You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.

Coach hated him.

I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?

Does it even matter?

The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you

Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.

If she is the woman of your dreams and you are spent after one shot do you belong in the pros?

blkexec wrote:With EF hurting his ankle, does his value take a hit?

Just goes to show, taking a break from basketball and sitting out all year, you are subject to getting injured.

It's going to be interesting how the FO handles EF moving forward.

Is he out of the Series or just one game?
did he tear a ligament or step on a Lego piece in the hotel.
Lets hope its not a bad sprain. Read the same report that said he was looking good.
Lower his value? Hope not.
Taking a break? He practiced like the rest of the team, and he has been training I reckon.
Luka hurt him self first game. It happens.