martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

....but Thibs rotations suck, Frank needs to play more, and Thibs doesn't know how to coach players he hasn't coached already!

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:Great!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1358475139076288513

Ha, can't believe Frank survives a trade AGAIN- he's like Rasputin!😂

Terrible for frank, he gets moved further down the bench, while Dsj will be able to get plenty of PT
in Detroit.

Is there any point where we take into account not a single coach has seen enough in Frank to develop him as a PG (I hear from Hahn that the Knicks were trying to get him playing time a a defensive wing and he refused to play anything but PG) and actually start to blame Frank for not helping himself by being doing anything possible to be able to consistently get on the floor and then putting up productive minutes once he gets there?

Thibs was supposed to be the perfect coach for him and look.

That sounds fishy. Struggling players on rookie contracts don't dictate where they are playing. Heck, Fiz did try Frank at wing. Just trade or waive the dude.

I wish I could find it but Hahn said it on air about a month or 2 back. I'll try to find it if I can.

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Someone is losing minutes....Can't see Rose coming here to play the Gibson role where he may get 5-8 mins here and there. Rose is going to play.

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:Great!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1358475139076288513

Ha, can't believe Frank survives a trade AGAIN- he's like Rasputin!😂

Terrible for frank, he gets moved further down the bench, while Dsj will be able to get plenty of PT
in Detroit.

Is there any point where we take into account not a single coach has seen enough in Frank to develop him as a PG (I hear from Hahn that the Knicks were trying to get him playing time a a defensive wing and he refused to play anything but PG) and actually start to blame Frank for not helping himself by being doing anything possible to be able to consistently get on the floor and then putting up productive minutes once he gets there?

Thibs was supposed to be the perfect coach for him and look.

That sounds fishy. Struggling players on rookie contracts don't dictate where they are playing. Heck, Fiz did try Frank at wing. Just trade or waive the dude.

I wish I could find it but Hahn said it on air about a month or 2 back. I'll try to find it if I can.

It was 2 months ago. I found a reddit thread referencing the info:

https://i.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/k6eswm/interesting_points_brought_up_by_alan_hahn_on/

Interesting points brought up by Alan Hahn on KnicksFanTV tonight regarding Frank and Mitch(self)

37 points submitted 2 months ago by HRdD_woo
In the case of Frank, he said that with every head coach he’s talked to or interviewed, they consistently say that they don’t know what they’re getting from him on a nightly basis. This is a reason why PGs like Jarret Jack and Mudiay were able to get playing time over him. He also brought up that Frank prefers playing on-ball in that PG role and doesn’t necessarily want to play off-ball and stand in the corner. Not sure how accurate all of this is, and I hope that Frank is able to put it together more consistently and be a team player.

Regarding Mitch, there was apparently some heat to the trade rumors with GSW

Mitch + 8 for Wiggins + 2 (Wiseman)

NYK had reservations about taking on Wiggins and his contract so they never made the trade, but it seems that right now, the FO thinks that Mitch needs to mature quite a bit and they don’t see him as untouchable.

What do you think of all this? Personally, I love both Frank and Mitch and wish the best for their Knicks careers. I understand if they want to ship Frank out but I think that we should rock with Mitch and let him grow into the NBA game and mindset.

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From his days as a Bull, Rose has been all about himself. Thats not a good mentor for Quickley. Talks more about contracts, than winning rings.

Thibs is playing his starters too much. Attempting to sign every living player from his Bulls days. Just like he did in Minny. But its all going to work out this time.

Ain't we still paying Noah? Might as well get our money's worth...I'm sure Thibs inquired about him

When a couple of Rose's teamates were in the hospital from overwork, during their playoff run.
Rose could have played, was dunking in practice, was moving well. All he talked about was his next contract.

When Rose signed with the Knicks, all he talked about was wanting a max deal.
Thats what the season was about to him, and he played like it.

Along with Noah and Quentin Richardson, he's my least favorite Knick. We might even be giving up a pick for him. Doubt this is Perry's call.

Feels like we're watching the same movie in a different town, with Thibs. I like the improvment, but it doesnt look like he's learned anything from his previous stops. Keeps wanting to live in the past.

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Why are people worried about trading a player that never gets PT.

Frank has no future with the knicks that's clearly obvious,

Everybody knows Thibs loves his vets and he's a defense first coach.

I agree as well. If it was a player that still had a future here gotcha all the way. They’ve given up on frank —They are trying to maximize this year— as long as we are reasonable about it- that’s ok by me. I want to hold the top picks however. The Detroit 2 is a deal breaker. Frank is reasonable comp

It's called hope. Problem is it has been 4 years. But that all some have. Lol

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TPercy wrote:Great!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1358475139076288513

Ha, can't believe Frank survives a trade AGAIN- he's like Rasputin!😂

Terrible for frank, he gets moved further down the bench, while Dsj will be able to get plenty of PT
in Detroit.

Is there any point where we take into account not a single coach has seen enough in Frank to develop him as a PG (I hear from Hahn that the Knicks were trying to get him playing time a a defensive wing and he refused to play anything but PG) and actually start to blame Frank for not helping himself by being doing anything possible to be able to consistently get on the floor and then putting up productive minutes once he gets there?

Thibs was supposed to be the perfect coach for him and look.

That sounds fishy. Struggling players on rookie contracts don't dictate where they are playing. Heck, Fiz did try Frank at wing. Just trade or waive the dude.

I wish I could find it but Hahn said it on air about a month or 2 back. I'll try to find it if I can.

It was 2 months ago. I found a reddit thread referencing the info:

https://i.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/k6eswm/interesting_points_brought_up_by_alan_hahn_on/

Interesting points brought up by Alan Hahn on KnicksFanTV tonight regarding Frank and Mitch(self)

37 points submitted 2 months ago by HRdD_woo
In the case of Frank, he said that with every head coach he’s talked to or interviewed, they consistently say that they don’t know what they’re getting from him on a nightly basis. This is a reason why PGs like Jarret Jack and Mudiay were able to get playing time over him. He also brought up that Frank prefers playing on-ball in that PG role and doesn’t necessarily want to play off-ball and stand in the corner. Not sure how accurate all of this is, and I hope that Frank is able to put it together more consistently and be a team player.

Regarding Mitch, there was apparently some heat to the trade rumors with GSW

Mitch + 8 for Wiggins + 2 (Wiseman)

NYK had reservations about taking on Wiggins and his contract so they never made the trade, but it seems that right now, the FO thinks that Mitch needs to mature quite a bit and they don’t see him as untouchable.

What do you think of all this? Personally, I love both Frank and Mitch and wish the best for their Knicks careers. I understand if they want to ship Frank out but I think that we should rock with Mitch and let him grow into the NBA game and mindset.

I remember when Hahn said it and I called BS then. Scrubs don't dictate where they are playing. They do whatever to get playing time. Frank has played wing under Fiz and h has played off ball in Europe. I don't see Frank bick d!$king the Knicks organization and telling them where he's going to play. I see Perry, whose used the media masterfully to leak stuff, as putting that out there to justify a Frank trade. The thing is, there is no need to justify a deal. He's not playing. Just cut or trade him and be done with it.

You have every right to call B.S., but either this is true and he limited himself to one position, or out of all the coaches he has had, not a single one has seen any skill that can be utilized to help win a basketball game. And it is universally agreed that he can be an all world defender. So...either everyone is wrong about Frank's one seemingly undeniable skill, or there something else going on.

Seems to me like a textbook case of Occam's Razor. No coach has really played him anywhere but PG.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Great!

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1358475139076288513

no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced

Wow. Trade a young kid after one bad year for a 32 year old with history of knee problems. Plus we give up draft picks? First old school Knick move from Rose. It must be the water at the Garden.